Posted on 04/11/2010 3:02:29 PM PDT by InspectorSmith
"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence."
(Excerpt) Read more at bunge.go.ke ...
That’s not the one that Inspector Smith had, the one he had has a foot print on it...
Send it also to Matt Drudge, Rush, and Mark Levin.
Well obviously there are some people you worship on that list or you wouldn’t have attacked the source.
You are the one that was participating in a non-existent argument.
The list is good and all the people on that list are scumbags and if you are still supporting those people then you are the company you keep.
Now crawl back into your ant hill.
That was my thinking. There’s plenty of evidence that he was born elsewhere. He even took out a foreign student loan to get into college. You have to be Muslim to go to school in Indonesia. He says he’s not a Muslim....sure.
I suppose you could LIE if you wanted to, but the fact is that he has not. The COLB posted by FactCheck is a proven forgery, in fact, the person who created it came forward just recently. Hawaii has never confirmed that it is from them, or that it is accurate. It is in the wrong format from COLBs and BC in 1961, the list goes on and on.
If it floats your boat, do what you will....
You’re very insulting to state that people here (or wherever) have an emotional “need” to “believe” that 0kaka was born in Kenya
No, it was not my intention to insult anyone. I gave my opinion about birther categories: those who ask and seek, those who need, those who profit. I have expressed sympathy for the first category, less sympathy for the second and disdain for the third. Your interpretation of my post is wrong.
The COLB posted by FactCheck is a proven forgery, in fact, the person who created it came forward just recently
It’s not a proven forgery. Can you please provide some reliable source about this “person who created it”. Thanks
It's the cherry on top of all the other Kenyan parliament members accepted and who proclaimed that Obama was "the son of the THIS soil" and "that the country which he ORIGINATES from" and other comments about Obama.
In other words, Mr Orengo's statement as a matter of fact verifies that the other members of the Kenyan Parliament words on November 5, 2008 that Obama was born in Kenya.
“HUGE NEWS AT FREEREPUBLIC!!!
“My name is Chanise Foxx. I work at a office supply store in Kenwood, IL. After nearly 3 years of silence and death threats to me and my family to stay quiet, I am compelled to come forward and tell the world my secret.
“I helped Obama campaign staffer Divorah Adler create a fake birth certificate for use in the famous Fact Check story to prove the world of Obama’s birth in the 2008 election. Divorah approached me in early 2007 and held onto the birth certificate until she released it in August 2008.
it was a joke by one of your own, read more carefully:
The Freeper BP2, trying to show the Bomford punxster how easy it was for anyone to fabricate a hoax, posted:
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Granted it’s draft version 0.1, but here’s my stab at FICTION:
My name is Chanise Foxx. I work at a office supply store in Kenwood, IL. After nearly 3 years of silence and death threats to me and my family to stay quiet, I am compelled to come forward and tell the world my secret.
I helped Obama campaign staffer Divorah Edler create a fake birth certificate for use in the famous Fact Check story to prove the world of Obama’s birth in the 2008 election. Divorah approached me in early 2007 and held onto the birth certificate until she released it in August 2008.
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BP2, after developing his fictional story on March 6, said:
Get the general idea, Punki?
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Is this correct?
After doing some digging. I found BP2’s replies to this:
Has a judge ever seen or touched it, or has it only been in the hands
of FactCheck? I think only the FactCheck “reporters” were given the
copy, which was then returned to the Obama 2008 Campaign office in Chicago.
Has Hawaii ever claimed they sent Obama the birth certificate? I don’t think so.
I don’t follow this whole birther thing, but I don’t think the veracity of Obama’s
so-called birth certificate has ever been tested in Court either.
All very curious.
45 posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:17:34 PM by BP2 (I think, therefore I’m a conservative)
46 posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:23:27 PM by RWGinger
Key People-Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
updated August 31, 2009 disclaimer
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obamaorggen.html
RESEARCH Research Director Devorah Adler
(reported by Lynn Sweet on Jan. 11, 2007; started on the campaign on Jan. 24) Research director at the DNC in the 2006 cycle (starting Sept. or Oct. 2005 through Jan. 23). Previously deputy research director at the DNC under Mike Gehrke. At the DSCC in 2004. Policy director for Ron Kirk’s 2002 U.S. Senate race. Special Assistant in the Office of the Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle. Has also worked for Nancy Pelosi. Associate Director for Health Policy (Domestic Policy Council) in the Clinton Administration. Graduate of the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor.
47 posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:26:26 PM by WellyP
See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
“The Hawaii DOH has now TWICE indirectly confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery - once by admitting Obama’s BC is amended and not noted on the COLB, and once by admitting that the cert numbers are given in their office, which shows that the Factcheck certificate number and filing date are incompatible with each other and the Nordyke BC’s.”
— butterdezillion
BIOCHEMKY:
I’ll tell you what. I think the idea that the Obama campaign would have used Obama’s sister’s as a template makes sense. That is of course conjecture.
However, here’s what I know about it otherwise. I have read the following:
(a) What was placed in photocopy form on the Obama campaign’s website is a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH (COLB) which is an item that is provided not at the time of one’s birth, but at any other point afterward
(b) What is prepared at birth by the medical personnel and the administrators of the hospital facility is called a VAULT copy of one’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE (BC). This item is kept by the hospital in their records department. An abbreviated version of the valult copy of the BC is what is actually given to the baby’s parents. The vault copy of the BC stays at the hospital.
(c) The photocoy of the fraudulent COLB on the Obama campaign’s website has the following physical problems:
(1) it has no raised seal impressed (not foiled, just raised) on it visible on the back as it should
(2) it has an emblem on the front that is supposed to be the seal of the state of Hawaii, but this emblem differs quite a bit from the authentic seal of Hawaii
(3) it has a nonauthentic border around the bottom and right hand side when looking at the back of it
(4) it does not cite the attending physician nor carry that individual’s signature
(5) i believe I also read that somehow a person was able to read the registration number on it or at least find out the number of digits in the registration number on it (that is blacked out with heavily black marker), however the information derived is not in agreement with the number sequences that were being given out from the hospital claimed in Aug. of 1961 or there was a different number of digits than should be present.
Personally, I don’t know why someone just doesn’t get ahold of the airline records that will confirm that Stanley Ann Dunham traveled to kenya at about 8 months along and was too far along to be allowed on the plane when she attempted to return to the U.S. to give birth and, thus, she did not return from Kenya until after Obama’s claimed date of birth.
Prove where Stanley Ann Dunham was on Aug. 4, 1961 and by default you also prove where Obama was born.
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I put the forged birth certificate in the criminal column; he defrauded the American people to help him ascend to the highest office in the land, a position for which he is ineligible.
He began by suspending the protections of our constitution (not being a natural born citizen) and he has been chipping away at the bill of rights and each ammendment a little at a time each and evey day.
I wouldn’t “shelve” the issue, I would simply refer to it as often as possible as what it is: a fabricated certification of live birth (COLB) and leave it at that.
Whether that COLB form is a forgery is actually a mute point. This is because: Obama’s father was a British citizen at the time of Obama’s birth and, thus, he has no way of claiming that he is a natural born citizen (born of two U.S. citizen parents within the geographic U.S.).
At the time of his birth the only citizenship Obama had received was that from his father, British. This is because although Obama’s mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, she had not lived in the U.S. for 5 years after her 14th birthday. This was required at the time in order for a citizen to pass on their citizenship when a child was born outside the country. Obama’s mother was only 18 (not 19) at the time Obama was born.
This last part I stated better in the argument laid out below (with links noted):
Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961 at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in the town of Mombasa in the Coast Province of the British colony of Kenya (http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2009/090909/FrntPgObamaEligibility.html). At the time of Obama’s birth, his father, Barack Hussein Obama, was a British citizen (Kenya did not gain its independence from Britain until 1963) and his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a United States citizen. According to Federal law, however, as the sole U.S. citizen parent Obama’s mother was not old enough and did not reside in the United States long enough after age 14 to qualify Obama as a United States citizen. The particulars are as follows.
According to Title 3, Chap. 1 of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act, Public Law No. 82-414, 66 Stat. 163) that was passed on June 27, 1952 and applies to persons of birth between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/8693236/1952-Immigration-and-Nationality-Act-Title3-Chapter1?secret_password=&autodown=pdf), a child born outside of the United States to one citizen parent could acquire United States citizenship if the United States citizen parent had been physically present in the United States for ten (10) years prior to the child’s birth and five (5) of those years were after the parent had reached the age of fourteen.
Obama’s mother was born November 29, 1942 and, thus, she was only 18 years old when Obama was born in Kenya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Ann_Dunham). As such, Obama’s mother did not meet the age-dependent residency requirements for her child to receive United States citizenship from her. Therefore, Obama is not a United States citizen. Furthermore, he is most certainly not a natural born U.S. citizen which is required of him to be as specified in Article II, section 1 clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in order to hold the office of President or Vice President of the United States (http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html).
BIOCHEMKY
67 posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:06:39 PM by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
Even so, according to Butterzillion, it is still a fake.
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So you see nothing strange, or less than honest, in these two posts from BP2, at the time of the Chanise Foxx nonsense?
To: RWGinger; AllPerhaps the story was written to demonstrate how easily Obama’s
FactCheck COLB could have been created in the first place.Has a judge ever seen or touched it, or has it only been in the hands
of FactCheck? I think only the FactCheck “reporters” were given the
copy, which was then returned to the Obama 2008 Campaign office in Chicago.Has Hawaii ever claimed they sent Obama the birth certificate? I don’t think so.
I don’t follow this whole birther thing, but I don’t think the veracity of Obama’s
so-called birth certificate has ever been tested in Court either.All very curious.
45 posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:17:34 PM by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Man50D; All
I really haven't been watching this birther thing, but it seems crazy to place the nation's trust into a small handful of people who handled Obama’s birth certificate: - Obama himself
- Obama’s 2008 Chicago Campaign office
- Fact Check
- Nancy PelosiIt seems they would all have everything to gain — and everything to lose — if Obama were to become elected, but not actually Eligible to be president back in 2008.
Again, I haven't been following the birther thing, so I have a few of questions:
- Has a judge actually seen Obama’s certified birth certificate in person?
- Has the Hawaii Dept of Health acknowledged sending Obama’s birth certificate to Obama or Fact Check?
- Have those 1961 newspapers acknowledged that they ran those birth announcements of Obama?
BP2, all of a sudden, doesn't "follow this whole birther thing" or hasn't "been watching this birther thing?"
The most prolific birther (his word -- don't blame me) posters on FR declares her/himself ignorant of birther arguments?
And you accept that? Why?
courtesy ping for BP2, you may wish to explain an important difference to Freeper browardchad...
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