[Smokin' Joe]

If 75% of those currently serving feel that way, and I'd guess a majority of veterans as well, why split the country, as so many seem to feel is a good (imho, ill conceived) idea?

It has been tried, it cost much--immeasureably more than can be stated--and did little good save to end an institution which was failing of its own accord. The evils it imposed may be far greater.

Instead, reinstate the Republic.My ancestors fought for the Confederacy, and I cannot condone the idea of secession except as a final resort.

We have always had those present who do not agree with our way of life, our belief in individual rights invites their presence, our prosperity ensures it, our security guarantees it.

A majority of the population is against the current socialist leanings of our own government. Stop that, stop the handouts, and how many would want to keep the fruit of their labors? How many would want the freedom to decide how they spend their earnings and not have that imposed upon them?

While it remains possible, we need to peacefully remove as many Socialists from power and turn this around, not tear it down.

If it becomes no longer possible, then, and only then should other options receive serious consideration.

[LibertyRocks]

A very strong, and convincing argument, Joe. I too, do not think now is the time for this action. There is remedy still available to us I believe...

[84rules]

A majority of the population is against the current socialist leanings of our own government. Stop that, stop the handouts, and how many would want to keep the fruit of their labors? How many would want the freedom to decide how they spend their earnings and not have that imposed upon them? While it remains possible, we need to peacefully remove as many Socialists from power and turn this around, not tear it down. If it becomes no longer possible, then, and only then should other options receive serious consideration.

I completely agree with all of this. But I don't think it will be possible if the Dems get their way and manage to make any of their agenda permanent. Already, many so-called "Conservatives" are surrendering on the idea of repealing Obamacare. If that continues, then it won't matter what the majority of the population wants because the politicians (of both major parties) in D.C. won't do anything to implement the will of the people.

When that kind of environment exists in D.C., a split becomes a necessity. I am not yet advocating such a split (I am simply encouraging a public debate on the issue), but if it were to happen tomorrow, I see no reason to give my loyalty to those currently sitting in D.C.