[dayglored]

> Your setup probably has pretty strong pulling power too w/4WD. Very cold, 4WD, 1st low low gear, iced brakes. I would say that is a pretty good test.

Yep. Of course, shifting to neutral eliminates the problem, but since in my case I was trying to maneuver the car around, I needed it to be in gear. :)

> I wonder if the electronics computer in cars backs off the throttle if people slam on the brakes.

I dunno. Interesting thought.

I had a buddy in the 70's who drove his automatic with both feet -- right on the accelerator, left on the brake. It was so he could keep the engine going (otherwise it tended to stall at idle). He went through brake pads like crazy.

> This whole toyo thing is BS.

Yep. Smells like somebody is trying to destroy the competition by innuendo rather than in the marketplace.

[Frantzie]

I think it may be a combo. Destroy the competition.

I also think it is beat up the biggest transplant auto manufacture to scare the other transplants with non-union factories (Nissan, Honda, BMW Hyndai, Mercedes, etc etc). Then the UAW thug try to force their way into the non-union factories or else - you get the Toyota treatment.

Obama, his Chicago goons, the UAW and other unions are so evil assited by their trail lawyer buddies.