Posted on 03/08/2010 8:08:30 PM PST by butterdezillion
What make you so sure they wouldn't simply step all over ex post facto laws? I mean, aren't they already stepping all over their UIPA laws?
They certainly can’t fine you for anything you did up to now, and if you don’t live in Hawaii, any future fining mechanism seems problematic at best. They’ll probably just stop answering requests on this issue.
That is brazen thug-o-cracy, FRiend. I’m going to sound the trumpet on this. God bless you. BTW, a different way of looking at this issue:
Are ABC, CBS, NBC, FactCheck, and N.Y. Times ‘birthers’ too?
McCain ‘birthers’: ABC, CBS, NBC, FactCheck, N.Y. Times
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127362
Eligibility issue was huge in 2008 when Obama opponent was focus of attention
“The Office of Taxation wants to fine people who are labeled ‘vexatious requestors’”
If they pass such a law, it runs a real risk of destroying their own careers. It’s a dangerous law, in many ways.
In other words, time for an off site’s hit counter to rack up a few hundred hits...
I would sure like to be a “vexatious requestor”.
But the people who are covering for Obama were largely appointed by Lingle. Fukino, AG Mark Bennett, Cathy Takase... they’re all in their positions now because Lingle put them there.
There are 2 people who have dared to do their jobs honestly and courageously, if I’m not mistaken: OIP Attorney Linden Joesting and Lt Gov Duke Aiona (if he’s the one who forced the DOH to post their administrative rules as required by law).
Someone is hitting them with an ax? Because that is what "axing them" means. OTH, if you mean asking, then you should actually write asking.
Labeling people as crazy because they question the political machine is the world’s second-oldest profession. Takase is only being true to who she is.
Their argument that working with other people shows that somebody is being “vexatious” is disingenuous for 2 reasons: First, working together actually reduces the number of requests necessary so it SAVES them time. And second, punishing people for practicing their right to peacably assemble is unconstitutional.
They are violating the First Amendment in several ways on this bill.
And Takase is the person who wrote in an official OIP Opinion Letter in 2007 (the very year the Factcheck-forged COLB was originally printed) that public outcry is reason enough for documents confidential by specific law to be released to the public. Oh, the irony of that. Now she’s telling us that public outcry is reason to shut down UIPA.
I don’t believe there’s any court in Hawaii that would have the guts to fight the mafia machine, even if the judges HADN’T been bought off already. And that’s what this is. All the classic signs are there.
Everybody in Hawaii’s government is big on Hawaii sovereignty - including Lingle, Bennett, Fukino, etc. Obama would not veto a bill giving native Hawaiians reparations as well as making most of Hawaii a reservation with its own government, not subject to the federal government. And one of the presidential orders Obama gave right around the time of Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement was a plan to involve all of his “czars” to try to further the plight of native Hawaiians.
I actually wonder if there’s some fine print somewhere which makes that funding dependent on them cooperating in hiding his records. John Charlton had gotten a reply from Joesting at the OIP, noting that one reason information can be denied is if disclosure would threaten federal funding. Joesting knows more than she’s letting on. She’s being gagged. I really feel sorry for her. The people hurt the most in corrupt government are the honest workers.
Not bothering the Hawaii DOH? Why on earth would he stop bothering them? They are getting pissy about requests for information that they are legally required to provide, so that is the standard now? Government doesn’t like doing their job, so they can create a law to prevent it. And a FREEPER says “don’t make them angry?” HUH?
bump
That wouldn’t be anything new. They’ve been refusing to actually answer anything for the past 5 months.
And as was documented at The Post & Email, the head of the vital records dept was doing web searches to find out if people were pro or anti-Obama so he would know who to blow off with a fake claim that requested documents were confidential (when they are actually REQUIRED to be made public).
So a person’s political persuasion has always resulted in different treatment from these people. Those of us who have worked with them have known that for a long time, but it was nice to have concrete documentation of it.
Not that any of the “watchdogs” will even bother to yawn over this corruption...
Actually, if you’re serious about that I do have some requests that somebody besides me could make for me - especially if you’ve not made requests before. You wouldn’t have to make enough to be a “vexatious requestor”, but if anybody is willing to make some of the requests that I know they’ll blow off coming from me, private mail me and I’ll give instructions.
I believe we’re actually very close to two different things Obama definitely wants quiet.
[Grin.] Great way of looking at it.
Thanks, but I am not worried about getting in any trouble if that was their intent.
The abuse of power, on the other hand, should be front page news.
I know that a person is allowed to insert statements into their record when something is in the public record about them. I have a mind to put a lot of stuff on the record in my defense if they label me a “vexatious requestor”. They may go broke just printing up what I could enter into the record. And if anybody asked to see what I had entered into the record it would cost them even more...
See, these people have got to learn there is no way they can fight this many millions of people. We’re like the Hydra; if they try cutting off one head they’re gonna get 4 more growing from the stump. The only way to live in peace with the public is to give them justice.
We don’t have a whole lot we can do to force government to respect the people and to obey the law, but if making legitimate requests will let them know that it doesn’t pay for them to violate our trust, then that may be the only voice we have any more in this country.
Now ASKING the state ANYTHING is a CRIME?
We are the Soviet Union.
And in less than one years time, I will be able to be imprisoned for this post.
OOOh I love the hydra analogy.=)
I do think now is the right time to keep up the pressure. With the dems imploding, I know their hands are full doing damage control on that front. I just read some uhm, talking points about being careful to hang your hat on Eric Massa as a hero because he hit on a male staffer, dontcha know?
When the democrats resort to looking like ‘homophobes’ in order to save face, you know they are in baaaad shape.
The worst I’ve seen in my life. Three whammy’s in less than two weeks...people WILL trickle forward with their own stories.
On the BC front, you and I both know with certainty he’s hiding something so our take on this legislation has got to be it.
It’s getting harder and harder for them to answer UIPA requests because the answers are so implicating.
BTW, the OIP Admin Rules state they have to specifically state what records a person is being denied access to. I’ve asked for that clarification on my own UIPA request because they didn’t. I want them to say it. If I wanted to appeal in court, I would have to know what I was appealing, ya know?
Also notice that I wrote Linden for tht recent clarification on February 22. The fact that this last minute testimony from Fukino and Takase was entered on Feb. 23 is not lost on me either.
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