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Obama conspiracy – It’s no longer just a theory
Sonoran News ^ | March 3, 2010 | Linda Bentley

Posted on 03/08/2010 6:26:35 AM PST by patlin

It became obvious records were created after the fact for Obama and were later changed. However, the computer access date is frozen on Sept. 9, 2008; two days after Obama appeared on Stephanopoulos’ show saying he registered with SS in 1979 when the requirement was nonexistent.

The mistakes made by adding to and changing the fraudulently created record after Coffman’s FOIA request was fulfilled but before the Allen’s was received, provides an audit trail of the fraud.

It would appear Flahavan, who processed both requests, should have caught the glaring incongruities. Instead, he got cocky in his letter to Allen by proclaiming, “Mr. Obama did indeed register with Selective Service …”

(Excerpt) Read more at sonorannews.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; certifigate; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: edge919
Do a search here from the Hawaii court record database. Soeotoro divorce case was terminated 11-26-1988.

That just means that the issue of child support, which was left open, "until further order of court" in the orignial divorce decree, was then closed. (Lolo didn't have to pay any, and had not supported them for the 6 years before the divorce.

It would also have been just over 3 months after Maya turned 18. (Her birthdate, Aug 15, 1970, is in the divorce papers.)

121 posted on 03/08/2010 5:25:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: butterdezillion

Okubo and her boss, Dr. Fukino and the registrar of records for Hawaii have all confirmed the legitimacy of Obama’s birth records.
When the St. Petersburg Times sent Janice Okubo a copy of the COLB that they received from the Obama campaign, she said, and I quote her: “Its a legitimate State of Hawaii birth certificate.”
Dr. Fukino has gone farther, declaring Barack Obama to be a “Natural Born American Citizen.”
The Factcheck COLB is irrelevant since the state of Hawaii has the official COLBs that would be used in any court proceeding.
As it says at the bottom of every state of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
What COULD be legally relevant is the COLB that Obama’s campaign put up on the “Fight the Smears” website. That copy could be a forgery or fraudulent but no court of law has ruled on its authentity because no prosecutor has brought an indictment against Obama or his campaign for forgery or fraud.


122 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:52 PM PST by jamese777
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To: patlin

His multiple layers of documented conspiracy have

NEVER

been a theory in my book.


123 posted on 03/08/2010 5:36:04 PM PST by Quix (THOSE who worked to land us here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: butterdezillion

Janice Okubo has, herself, made 2 statements which confirm that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. You keep saying that she’s confirmed the authenticity. The fact is exactly the opposite: she has indirectly confirmed that the COLB is a forgery - not having note of the amendment as required by law, and containing an impossible combination of “date filed” and certificate number.

Stop saying the lies over and over. You’ve been caught at it many times. Why do you persist in saying these things?

When asked point-blank whether she has a duty to inform the public of a forgery, she said the law doesn’t allow her to disclose ANYTHING that’s on a birth certificate - which in context has to mean that she says she CAN’T say that a BC is a forgery. That’s why the admission had to come through indirect means. And through indirect statements she has confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery.

I notice that Okubo had no qualms about slandering the people who had enough persistence and honesty to keep an open mind until she actually gave the answers which told the truth about Obama’s records.

One of the reasons the Hawaii Ombudsman’s Office refused to investigate what the DOH was doing was because it involved potential crimes such as libel, perjury, and forgery.


You’re confusing COLBs and I realize its hard to keep them all straight. Obubo confirmed the validity of the Obama COLB sent to her from the St. Petersburg Times’ Politifact unit, not the one from Factcheck.org. I have no idea if the factcheck.org and politifact.org copies of Obama’s COLB are different in any way or not but they both came from the Obama campaign.
When the Governor is a Republican, the Attorney General is a Republican and the person under suspicion is a Democrat, its pretty hard to interest courts in doing anything if members of the opposing party are unwilling to step forward.
John McCain and Sarah Palin would most likely have legal standing to sue Obama due to the fact that they were directly harmed by his election, but they have refused to do so.
Perhaps a new Governor and Attorney General being elected and appointed next November will change the scenario, but if Democrat and Obama buddy Neil Abercrombie is elected as Governor and gets to appoint the Attorney General, forgetaboutit.


124 posted on 03/08/2010 5:39:24 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Honolulu, Hawaii is considered a birthplace and being born at 7:24 pm on August 4, 1961 documents age. The Constitution requires those two pieces of information that are found on a birth vital record in order to meet Article 2 Section 1 requirements The Constitution requires one to be a "Natural Born Citizen". That takes more than birthplace.

It was typical in 1961 and its still typical today for persons from sub-Saharan Africa to list their race by a geographic location(ethnicity or nationality) rather than a skin color. Today it is more likely that they would put “Nigerian” or “Kenyan” but Kenya did not become an independent nation until 1963 and it did not become a republic until 1964. “Negro,” “African-American” or “Colored” can be offensive terms to persons from sub-Saharan Africa. They often prefer to differentiate themselves from black Americans.

There is no evidence BHO sr had anything to do with the information on the BC, fathers usually don't, the mother fills out the worksheet, or supplies the information to a clerk, in the hospital, or the maternal grandmother does. You really think Stanley Ann or Toot would have put "African". Stanley Ann, for all her faults, was an intellectual. She would have used the correct terminology, which in 1961, and really today as well, is "Negro", although the US Census uses "white" and "black".

I think the "sensistivity" came much later, say around 2007 in this case. Someone just couldn't bring themselves to put "negro" on the CoLB image. Because today, but not in 1961, that is a loaded word.

If anything, If BHO Sr did an input, I'd expect either Kenyan, since that was a place if not yet a country, or more likely "Luo", which of course is a tribe, not a race, but still African Colonials often still identified more with their tribe than their colony/nation. Their modern descendants often still do.

But I never indicated which items were important to determining Natural Born citizenship, until this post. I just pointed out that you were incorrect about what additional information was on the long form, and that you had once piece of information that *is* on the short form, race, as additional. Makes me wonder if you ever compared the two forms, or even looked at a long form from the era, (the one I checked to verify, was from the very next day, I don't think they changed the form from friday evening to saturday afternoon. (But likely the forms themselves would have been filled out during the following week, as their filing dates might indicate.)

125 posted on 03/08/2010 5:58:29 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

I highly doubt KGB or SOROS could have access to place paper copies in 1991 on a flake like obama. Email and electronic files were not used then. More likely an US agency that had the power and know how to do it. (Something they would have access and repeated opportunity to do it. )


126 posted on 03/08/2010 6:07:20 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: jamese777
The Factcheck COLB is irrelevant since the state of Hawaii has the official COLBs that would be used in any court proceeding.

It's irrelevant IF it agrees with an Official COLB, or a certified copy of the long form. But if it does not, it's evidence of a massive fraudn upon the people of the United States.

127 posted on 03/08/2010 6:13:42 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Walkingfeather
I highly doubt KGB or SOROS could have access to place paper copies in 1991 on a flake like obama

If he was *their* flake, they would work with what existed. Maybe a nice "honey trap" on some less than attractive clerk in the DoH?

They really do/did things that way you know. At least most of my security briefs over the past 35+ years have said they did, in some cases citing specific cases and naming names.

128 posted on 03/08/2010 6:17:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: jamese777
When the St. Petersburg Times sent Janice Okubo a copy of the COLB that they received from the Obama campaign, she said, and I quote her: “Its a legitimate State of Hawaii birth certificate.” Dr. Fukino has gone farther, declaring Barack Obama to be a “Natural Born American Citizen.”

You are citing two sources that have less credibility than you do. And that's quite low.

129 posted on 03/08/2010 6:28:39 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: El Gato

You are insinuating that you read Obama’s name in one of those briefings. If that is the case and you are not under oath then you should file an affidavit and post it on line.


130 posted on 03/08/2010 6:36:39 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Uncle Chip

You are citing two sources that have less credibility than you do. And that’s quite low.


Well, you can’t please all of the people all of the time. Don’t try to kill the messenger. I don’t make the news, I just post it on Free Republic! ;-)
I’m pretty sure that I’ll be able to handle it emotionally if I don’t live up to the standards and expectations of an anonymous screen name on an internet forum.

Have a good evening.


131 posted on 03/08/2010 6:56:27 PM PST by jamese777
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To: El Gato

It’s irrelevant IF it agrees with an Official COLB, or a certified copy of the long form. But if it does not, it’s evidence of a massive fraudn upon the people of the United States.


Which is exactly why I advocate getting ANY and I repeat ANY prosecuting attorney in the entire United States of America to launch a criminal probe into whether forgery or fraud was committed. That investigation, preferably by a Grand Jury, would allow for a subpoena to be issued for Obama’s vault copy, long form, Certificate of Live Birth for comparison to the photoshopped copies that have appeared on the Daily Kos, Fight the Smears, Factcheck.org and politifact.org websites.
It is obvious to me that civil lawsuits are not going to do the trick (thus far 63 such suits have failed). Its time that some US Attorney, state Attorney General or District Attorney had the testicles to try utilizing the criminal courts.
I wish this had happened before Obama was sworn in but “better late than never” I guess.
When the Governor of Hawaii, the Attorney General of Hawaii, the state Registrar and the Director of the Hawaii Health Department all back the legitimacy of Obama’s records, it has scared off prosecuting attorneys from attempting this mission.


132 posted on 03/08/2010 7:04:05 PM PST by jamese777
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To: El Gato

You can speculate whatever you like.
If Obama was trying to foist a fake COLB off as real, he certainly wouldn’t intentionally draw attention to the document by putting “African” where the word “Negro” would have attracted no attention at all.


133 posted on 03/08/2010 7:07:03 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777; El Gato
If Obama was trying to foist a fake COLB off as real, he certainly wouldn’t intentionally draw attention to the document by putting “African” where the word “Negro” would have attracted no attention at all.

You think Bam is that smart? This is an African.


134 posted on 03/08/2010 7:19:54 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: jamese777
Okubo backed off what the St. Petersburg Times falsely framed her to have said in an update to the very same story, as I already posted to you here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2458720/posts?page=203

Here is what Politifact actually said about what Okubo said at the link you provided:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”

Still, she acknowledges: “I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

135 posted on 03/08/2010 7:29:55 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: El Gato

Barak Sr. was celebrated as the first African student at the University of Hawaii ... evidently he enjoyed this distinction. I don’t find it unlikely at all he would have identified himself as African rather than Negro. I met a guy from the Ivory Coast who told me he didn’t know he was a black man until he came to the United States. Likewise I could see SAD or Granny Dunham identifying as African for the same reason. Barak Sr. certainly wouldn’t have called himself an African-American as jamese777 suggested. He has to be part American first.


136 posted on 03/08/2010 7:45:41 PM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777
There is no constitutional requirement that a person be born in a hospital.

No, there isn't.

BO, however, claimed to have been born in a hospital.

137 posted on 03/08/2010 7:52:04 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Two of them, depending on when he was quoted.


138 posted on 03/08/2010 7:56:47 PM PST by edge919
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To: El Gato

This makes sense about the child support, although Lolo died the year before. Was wondering about his estate and then it kind of hit me ... maybe both his children were mentioned in his will. Anyone know how a person might find the last will and testament of Lolo Soetoro and if Barry Soetoro was listed as an heir??


139 posted on 03/08/2010 8:18:46 PM PST by edge919
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To: thecodont

No, there isn’t.

BO, however, claimed to have been born in a hospital.


But that has no bearing on his constitutional eligibility. Only whether he was born in the United States, is age 35 or over and has 14 years residence in the US matters to any judge or Supreme Court justice that might hear a case.
And no, where his father was born has no constitutional relevance either. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that one’s parents must be citizens in order to be natural born, no law has ever been passed that codifies that, and no Supreme Court decision has ever ruled that a president’s parents have any bearing on the president’s status as a natural born citizen.


140 posted on 03/08/2010 8:26:06 PM PST by jamese777
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