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To: BuckeyeTexan
All this article proves is that it was theoretically possible for an unscrupulous person to get away with a fraudulant birth registration in Hawaii in 1961.

Big deal. The same is true with every state, even today. What is a state supposed to do with babies born in unfortunate circumstances? Unless we're prepared to deny them citizenship, there have to be provisions under the law that allow registration of unattended births, and that is going to make fraud possible.

What the author fails to do is distinguish between the possible and the plausible. Yes, it is possible that Obama wasn't born in the US, and his mom exploited provisions in the law to fraudulantly register her son. But is it plausible?

No. There was no reason for her to commit fraud to register his birth in Hawaii, even if he were born outside the US. Under immigration laws at the time, he was eligible for naturalized citizenship as the minor child of a US citizen. All his mom would have to do is fill out an application and produce proof of her own citizenship, as well as her maternity.

Therefore, unless she had the incredible clarvoiyance to know he would one day run for president, there would have been no reason to committ fraud to secure all the benefits of US citizenship for her son.

So yes, fraud in this case is theoretically possible, but it's not plausible because 1) there's no motive for it and 2) no evidence of it.

Here's a question the birthers never want to answer. Suppose his long form is released and it shows an unattended birth. What then? How are you going to prove it's fraudulant?

I don't see how they could, given that to date they have failed to unearth a single shred of evidence suggesting Bambi was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Further, I don't see how the release of the long form would in any way make their search for such evidence any easier.

98 posted on 02/25/2010 9:53:52 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
"No. There was no reason for her to commit fraud to register his birth in Hawaii, even if he were born outside the US. Under immigration laws at the time, he was eligible for naturalized citizenship as the minor child of a US citizen. All his mom would have to do is fill out an application and produce proof of her own citizenship, as well as her maternity."

Going through the naturalization process is more costly, both in terms of money and time. Far easier (& cheaper) for her to take advantage of the very loose law's of Hawaii Law 57.

101 posted on 02/25/2010 10:10:22 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: curiosity

Birthers want only an affirmation of their suspicions. They wouldn’t accept a long form if it were produced today. They’d claim that Obama has had plenty of time to produce a perfect forgery.

I had not seen the actual Hawaii Revised statutes from microfilm, so I thought that was interesting. I also hadn’t heard anything about “foundling” birth registration so that was a new one for me.

Here let me start a whole new conspiracy ... Stanley Ann found Obama! That’s how she was able to attend classes in Washington only 15 days after Obama’s birth. That’s why she didn’t know how to change a diaper!

Bwahahaha.


104 posted on 02/25/2010 10:20:55 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: curiosity

“What the author fails to do is distinguish between the possible and the plausible”

I love the way you phrased that! I would looking for those words.

parsy, who didn’t find them on his own


110 posted on 02/25/2010 11:47:15 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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