Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I’ve not posted this anywhere, but I asked for the index data for birth certificate #151-61- (whatever the Factcheck number is) and the DOH said they couldn’t release that information to me because I had not shown I have a direct and tangible interest in President Obama’s birth certificate.
So I sent back and asked how President Obama came into it, since I had asked for a specific number and hadn’t mentioned any name with it. Were they sure that was the answer they meant to give, because it would only make sense if that cert# was for Obama’s birth certificate.
She pretty much just waffled around until I gave up on trying to get an answer out of her. They never did change their answer though so that could be taken as them affirming that the Factcheck cert# is Obama’s.
The thing about that is I gave her every out I could. All she had to do was say, “Oops. I goofed. I should have said that I can’t reveal information that’s actually on a birth certificate except through the disclosures authorized by our administrative rules or statutes.” I tried helping her along. But she wouldn’t be helped.
But in Hawaii there is a statute that says that if a person invites government officials carrying out their duties to rely upon a document that the person knows is a forgery they are themselves guilty of perjury. And I think what Okubo and Fukino have done rises to that level because Secretaries of State and Congress-critters deciding whether or not to contest the electoral vote were invited by Fukino and Okubo to rely upon the Factcheck forgery.
I don’t know why she did. You have a theory. Theories are not evidence. Suppose your house gets TP-ed....You really think it is your co-worker, because you got a raise and she didn’t. Plus she cussed you out at the office.
Now, what do you have? Nothing. You didn’t see her do it. You have no finger prints. Nothing.
Same with HDOH. You know who did something. You don’t really know why...You suspect why, but you really don’t know. Let me give you a real good possibility. They’re lazy. They get tired of all the phone calls and faxes from people on the trail of Obama. They figure the less stuff’s that up, the less they have to mess with.
parsy, who says this isn’t circumstantial evidence.
My understanding is that individuals can’t bring criminal charges though. Am I missing something? I’ve been trying to find somebody - anybody - in law enforcement who could do something about it but nobody will.
If I remember correctly, a US Congressman actually requested an FBI investigation but the FBI wouldn’t do anything about it.
I think we need to have a way where civilians can force law enforcement to do their jobs. These people aren’t elected so how do we hold them accountable?
This is from someone who writes meandering hypotheticals and bizarre, imaginary dialogues, as well as Taitzesque 'legal forms' ... again, enough with the shtick. Just reread the OP. It's clear.
Then maybe you and edgy need to team up and take a run at providing the information in a logical format. Spend 1/2 the time you do posting pictures, and list the stuff out systematically. Holler over to lil jeremiah, and red steel and see if they can help you.
Work on your rebuttal info, too.
parsy, who says you are going to end up like Orly
> Suppose your house gets TP-ed
Now, is that REAL toilet paper or just a PHOTO of toilet paper?
Man, ain’t that the truth. These guys can’t even list out their allegations in logical order. They must be recent public school grads. Today is not a good day for me, so I needed the distraction.
parsy, who still remembers his Saint
I think I read that on your blog too. Earlier her tactic was to tell people they had to give her a name before she could look up index data, which is outright nonsense. It was a ruse to make the requester say Obama and then she gives the information she had already given out (and that is now posted on the Obama FAQ page).
As addled as some of spokesbabe Okubo’s responses have been, I don’t think we have a clear admission that the cert number belongs to Obama from her response to you. If it was Obama’s cert number, she would have just given you the same Index Data that she has already release and posted online. She was intentionally trying to misdirect you and caught herself in an awkward misstatement.
As far as the perjury thing, I still think they’re covered because there’s no evidence they’ve looked at Obama’s certificate to know what the number is and to confirm whether or not it’s the same as the FactChock.com cert number.
The action she did broke the law. That is evidence of her own crime.
In investigating her crime, law enforcement (even the Ombudsman) can question her, can look at her computer, can look for motives... and that’s when evidence regarding Obama would probably come up.
Obama’s lawyers twice threatened media heads with FCC license revocation if they reported on the eligibility issue. I’m sure that’s a crime. Extortion? Doug Hagmann has affidavits testifying to the same. He’s waiting for the person who originally signed a statement about it to come forward, not wanting to jeopardize this guy’s career, family, or well-being. That is definitely something for law enforcement to investigate. Those lawyers, facing jail-time, might be willing to say why they were so worried about the eligibility issue and what role Obama himself played in that extortion.
See, the real evidence isn’t stuff I’ll ever be able to dig up. What I can do is point out the stuff that shows there’s a boatload of crap going on that needs to be investigated.
Hawaii’s law-breaking, the forged COLB, the letter saying he was born at Kapiolani when he wasn’t, etc - it’s all evidence of crime that deserves to be investigated. The fact that these people have committed crimes in order to cover something suggest it is something even worse than the crimes committed that is being covered up. But an investigation would show that. I don’t have the authority to do that investigation.
All I can do at this point is plead with my fellow Americans to demand an investigation; maybe if we make enough noise somebody will have the balls to do their job.
I know. It’s a nice pipedream here in America, the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I’ve asked for information that Okubo said doesn’t exist but that she could only say whether it existed or not by looking in Obama’s file. She’s seen his documentation. Either that or she’s not even pretending to do her job - which is a real possibility as well. No matter how you slice it though, it warrants an investigation.
You really, REALLY are infatuated with Orly.
In fact, YOU are the only one who even brings her up.
Perhaps you should give her a call, Parsley.
Her phone number is on her website.
Sort of. That's why I said you would need to find a law enforcement agency or prosecutor willing to tackle the case. You're not filing charges. They're investigating the information you volunteer and filing charges as they are authorized to do.
If I remember correctly, a US Congressman actually requested an FBI investigation but the FBI wouldn’t do anything about it.
If the Congressman was asking for an investigation into Obama's eligibility, then of course, the FBI can't do that. If it was a request for a forgery investigation based on Polarik's pixels and halos, then I don't see that being credible enough to spur an investigation either. With the information, you've uncovered, there's a much more tangible and linear proof of fraud. What would nail it is a statement from spokesbabe Okubo saying that these certificate numbers would be in ascending numerical order if filed three days apart. She's given indirect confirmation so far, so a request for that specific clarification might be enough to push it over the top.
BINGO! WELL DONE as usual.
Laughing at the feeble attempt to convince anyone you don’t understand the evidence that exposes the fraudulent certificate number. Do you open the windows while you sing in the shower so you can claim you sang to an audience??
Red Steel wrote: “You know, citing Wong Ark doesn’t make your case that Obama is a natural born citizen. You can cut and paste all you want...”
Agreed! To me, citing the Kim Wong Ark decision to justify the definition of “Natural Born” is like citing the Dred Scott decision to justify slavery. Everyone instinctively knows that both of those decisions were about Justices legislating their own personal biases.
In fact, for some reason or other, I’ve noticed that many After-Birthers completely overlook the Dred Scott decision when pulling out SCOTUS rulings that discuss the Natural Born Citizen issue.
So, let us look at a ruling that I feel is as contemptuous and politically motivated as the Kim Wong Ark decision; The Dred Scott Decision:
From the views here expressed, and they seem to be unexceptionable, it must follow, that with the slave, with one devoid of rights or capacities, civil or political, there could be no pact; that one thus situated could be no party to, or actor in, the association of those possessing free will, power, discretion. He could form no part of the design, no constituent ingredient or portion of a society based upon common, that is, upon equal interests and powers. He could not at the same time be the sovereign and the slave.
Gee, look at that; The SCOTUS is using Vattel’s definition when discussing citizenship!
Not only that, but the Dred Scott Decision mentions Vattel no less than five times in their decision.
On the other hand, the After-Birthers’ much ballyhooed Blackstone only gets mentioned once. And, not only that, but it was not in the context of citizenship, but rather in reference to Missouri’s adherence to certain statutes and the “law of nations.”
Now, I’m not saying that the Dred Scott decision is a monumentally beautiful moment in the history of the United States, but what I guess I am trying to say is that when After-Birthers cite a terribly “Progressive” and obviously logically flawed decision like Kim Wong Ark to use as some sort of “proof” against us Constitutional Disciples, well...it is like me quoting the Dred Scott decision to them to justify slavery before the signing of the emancipation proclamation; it doesn’t change what I, and others, instinctively know to be proper and just.
I think we all can agree that it is a verifiable fact that Our Founding Fathers’ intent with inserting the Natural Born
Citizen requirement for the Office of the President of the United States was to help insure that the office holder’s allegiance was solely, and undividedly, to America and her citizens.
Logically, it is only proper for the President of the United States to have sole, undivided allegiance to We the People of the United States of America.
And, I’m just not sure that is proper for a person having been born with dual-citizenship and then going to Kenya to actively campaign for a politician who is now the Prime Minister of Kenya (after a blood-bath and UN interdiction) fits the category of “undivided allegiances.”
Cheers
My allegations are:
Fukino illegally hid the Administrative Rules during the election and for a year afterwards. I have the e-mails that prove that she knew what she was doing. My friend has the phone records to corroborate her claims.
Fukino and Okubo have denied access to documents by deliberately applying 338-18(a) prohibitions to documents that only match 338-18(b) definitions. Again, I’ve got the e-mails.
Fukino and Okubo have publicly called me and my friends lunatics who won’t accept any proof while publicly speaking positively about a document they knew was a forgery. I’ve got the e-mails. I’ve got the administrative rules. I’ve got the news articles.
Obama has approved the content on his website to include a forgery of his birth certificate - which he knew was a forgery because he had amended his own birth certificate over a year before the forged COLB was posted. His spokesman, speaking on his behalf, has made public statements claiming that the forged COLB was Obama’s and his lawyers asked the judge to take note of the posted COLB. If I was a prosecutor I could get a warrant for that Factcheck document. That would be evidence.
There is a letter with White House seal and Obama’s signature saying Obama was born at Kapiolani when he could not have been born in a hospital and still been charged the fee that he was charged for amending his birth certificate. IOW, either Abercrombie forged that letter or else Obama perjured himself by signing that letter. If I was a prosecutor I could get a search warrant for that letter. That would be evidence.
Obama told Race Bannock in the summer of 1980 that he was born in Mombasa; yet Obama signed a sworn statement saying he is a natural born United States citizen, thus perjuring himself. If I was a lawyer or prosecutor I could get an affidavit from Race and that would be evidence.
And there’s other stuff about Hawaii also that is circumstantial evidence that wrong-doing may have been done, as well as evidence of either incompetence or unethical behavior.
There are some claims. And surely you must see what I am saying. I don’t have authority to gather that evidence, even though I know it is there. I don’t have the evidence in my possession, but there is evidence that I’ve been saying all along.
Just because Obama is holding that evidence at arm’s length away from my reaching arms and saying “nya nya nya nya nya” doesn’t mean there is no evidence. We can all see that there is evidence. It means there is nobody with the courage to grab the evidence from his mocking hands and make this man obey the law.
She’ll never answer that. She doesn’t have to answer questions and if you ask for documents describing the process for assigning numbers she will say they don’t have any records describing that and they aren’t required to make new documents for UIPA requestors.
The statutes say they have to describe their processes and procedures but they’ve claimed they have nothing written down in their office. Nothing. They are required to explain so if they have nothing they need to come up with it fast. But they won’t. They have broken so many of their laws it’s not even funny. And neither the OIP nor the Ombudsman will do a darn thing about it.
That’s why I say the corruption is the center of this whole thing. The lawlessness in Hawaii is what has enabled this whole big mess. They have no law enforcement.
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