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1 posted on 02/21/2010 9:25:25 PM PST by blackbart.223
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That’s deep.


2 posted on 02/21/2010 9:27:54 PM PST by goseminoles
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>>Free men don’t need leaders<<

If everyone is a leader then there are no leaders.

In any group, leaders will emerge in proportion to the group size and the needs of the group.

Human are social animals — to suggest there isn’t a hierarchy is to ignore man’s humanity.


4 posted on 02/21/2010 9:32:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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Food for thougt

How rude.

You already ate an h.

5 posted on 02/21/2010 9:32:52 PM PST by hole_n_one
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A group acting as one, through the skills of a good leader is more powerful than an equal number of free agent individuals.

Therefore, if free men expect to remain free, they better be able to assemble under a leader to oppose the tyrant that commands a hoard of slaves.

It’s an age old conundrum. Think greek city states versus the persian empire.


12 posted on 02/21/2010 9:40:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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That’s right. Cuz I don’t want to be told what to do.


14 posted on 02/21/2010 9:43:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Can you imagine an army without any leaders?

In government, we do need leaders, but they should be the guardians of our freedom, not our overloards. We tell them what we want, and they are supposed to figure out the best way to do it. The clowns we have in Washington today don’t seem to understand that.


18 posted on 02/21/2010 9:48:14 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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Free men don’t need leaders, per se, they need representatives. Sheep need leaders. In fact, I cringe every time I see people, even on here, idolizing an individual man or woman as if that person will take us to the promised land. Conservatives should be promoting ideas, and supporting anyone who fights for those ideas, not exalting an individual, because every human is flawed, and eventually will falter in one area or another. Once that happens, we must be willing and resolved to put them aside.


22 posted on 02/21/2010 9:51:36 PM PST by fr_freak
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“Free men don’t need leaders.”
Wrong.

“Despots do need followers however.”
Wrong.

“History proves me correct on this.”
Wrong again.


28 posted on 02/21/2010 9:54:20 PM PST by Kirkwood
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Humans do need a leader. Not all humans are born leaders,
I for example follow Jesus. He is my leader and I do need
Him. Not all people are kind or fair. Therefore we have a
government to make laws we follow.
Not all free men are leaders.


29 posted on 02/21/2010 9:54:54 PM PST by Ramonne
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Free men absolutely do need leaders. You can't be making every decision democratically. None of us have the time to do that.

Could we have responded to 911 democratically? No. We would have lost the will do to anything long before we came to any kind of consensus on what to do.

So instead we have a republic, and a president, and a Supreme court. And if we take care to elect men of good character to the presidency and legislature, and we take care to enforce the checks and balances that have been set up, we will have good government.

Despots on the otherhand, do not need followers. They need nothing more than the passive consent of the governed. And that can obtain that by cowing the populace in fear. How many followers did Saddam have before he shot his father in the head and assumed power? How many did he have after? He had the third largest army in the world, but most of them were loyal only out of fear, and willingly laid down arms once they were certain that America was coming.

31 posted on 02/21/2010 9:55:50 PM PST by DannyTN
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I need a leader!

32 posted on 02/21/2010 9:57:08 PM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: blackbart.223; shibumi
"Despots do need followers however."

Despots create followers with the influence of lead.

As Mao put it...
"Political power grows from the barrel of a gun."

Too bad for the depots that there is an armed citizenry in this country though huh?

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36 posted on 02/21/2010 10:01:55 PM PST by Semper Mark (Doesn't play well with others.)
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“Any comments?”

Questions:

1. If you’re a free man, whatever that is, and don’t want a leader, don’t you have to be self-employed? Who’d hire you if you wouldn’t accept their leadership to at least some degree?

2. If a free man has a family and children should he lead them, ever? (Disregarding those who’d say a man with a family isn’t a free man.)

3. Should a lost free man stay lost rather follow someone who could lead him out of being lost?

4. If you don’t want to lead and you don’t want to follow will you please stay out of the way?


65 posted on 02/21/2010 10:45:21 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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“Somthing to think about. Free men don’t need leaders. Despots do need followers however.”

Neither is correct. Free men need leaders for any organization to function (family, church, business, etc.). Despots don’t need followers: they need to have a disarmed citizenry, and a small cadre of people willing to do the dirty work (not hard to find, if history is any guide).

So your statement is wrong. It should read: “Despots need a disarmed citizenry. Free men need the wisdom, the courage, and the means to defend freedom.”


72 posted on 02/21/2010 11:04:08 PM PST by jjsheridan5
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You're missing an H

Someting else to tink about.

82 posted on 02/22/2010 9:38:51 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (My boomerang won't come back)
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