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To: Non-Sequitur
King Lincoln to Nonsensical

“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”—Abraham Lincoln. March 4, 1861

Grant to Nonsensical
“If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side.” —Ulysses S. Grant

Tyrant to Nonsensical

“Amend the Constitution to say it should never be altered to interfere with slavery.” -—Abe Lincoln, December 24, 1860

Your butcher offered up the 13th Amendment to FOREEVER protect slavery. Needless to say, it didn't work. Independence from Yankee-ville was much more important

“No Amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any state, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.” —Joint Resolution of Congress, Adopted March 2, 1861

387 posted on 02/25/2010 6:05:35 AM PST by Idabilly
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To: Idabilly; Non-Sequitur
“If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side.” —Ulysses S. Grant

I'm pretty sure that's not a legitimate and authentic quotation. Apparently, no one has ever found an appearance of this quote prior to 1904.

“Amend the Constitution to say it should never be altered to interfere with slavery.” -—Abe Lincoln, December 24, 1860

Your butcher offered up the 13th Amendment to FOREEVER protect slavery.

I'm pretty sure that's not a legitimate and authentic quotation either. Among the problems with your claim that he offered it up is that Lincoln was not yet President and did not hold any political office at all in December 1860.

If you disagree and believe it to be authentic, then I welcome the identification of a source document.

410 posted on 02/25/2010 9:24:53 AM PST by LorenC
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To: Idabilly
King Lincoln to Nonsensical

Abraham Lincoln to Idabooby.

"He [Stephen Douglas] is blowing out the moral lights around us, when he contends that whoever wants slaves has a right to hold them; that he is penetrating, so far as lies in his power, the human soul, and eradicating the light of reason and the love of liberty, when he is in every possible way preparing the public mind, by his vast influence, for making the institution of slavery perpetual and national." --October 7, 1858 Lincoln-Douglas Debate at Galesburg, Illinois

Grant to Nonsensical

Ulysses Grant to Idabooby.

"...As soon as slavery fired upon the flag it was felt, we all felt, even those who did not object to slaves, that slavery must be destroyed. We felt that it was a stain to the Union that men should be bought and sold like cattle." - Grant to Bismarck, 1878

Tyrant to Nonsensical

Non-Sequitur to Idabooby.

Try again. That's from a letter by William Seward, not Abraham Lincoln.

Your butcher offered up the 13th Amendment to FOREEVER protect slavery. Needless to say, it didn't work. Independence from Yankee-ville was much more important.

And why should it? The amendment would have protected slavery were it was legal. The confederate constitution guaranteed slavery in all states, ensured it could never be done away with, required it be introduced into territories, and protected slave imports. Why should the rebels accept the half a loaf of the 13th Amendment when they could have the full loaf in their own constitution?

“No Amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any state, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.” —Joint Resolution of Congress, Adopted March 2, 1861

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation." - the 13th Amendment that was actually ratified.

419 posted on 02/25/2010 10:47:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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