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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Secession is a right of any State.

The Federal government did not create the States, they created it to serve their interests.

It does not own them. The States are sovereign, no matter what BS Lincoln pedaled about the marriage being forever.

The State's started the marriage and they can make the divorce.

2 posted on 02/17/2010 3:55:08 PM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: Regulator
The original 13 colonies were recognized as independent nations by the Treaty of Paris. Maine became a Massachusetts county. It was later recognized as a state ~ presumably recession of its statehood under our constitution would revert it to its prior state as a Massachusetts county.

A fair number of states were raised up out of territorial claims held by Virginia and the Carolinas. Rescission of their statehood would revert them to their prior status as Virginia land claims.

Yet other states were raised up out of the Louisiana Purchase ~ that is, land owned by the United States. Rescission of statehood with any of them should entail reversion to that status.

Texas was a recognized independent nation. Presumably it, and part of Oklahoma and New Mexico could revert to that status.

Basically every state in the Union since the original 13 states combined adopted the Articles of Confederation has been created out of some prior extension of government under a different state, or the lands owned by the United States, or the voluntary accretion to the United States by another country.

I suppose it's perfectly OK for a state to leave the union, but that does not give them a right to take the land with them (except for Texas and maybe California).

Best secessionists talk to the Canadians first to see if they'll loan them some territory to erect their own government.

6 posted on 02/17/2010 4:07:14 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Regulator

America’s Second Revolution was unsucessful- it just so happened that the tyrant in that case was able to subjugate the rebels by invading and conquering their territory, as well as killing many Americans. No more, no less. Anytime tyranny succeeds, liberty dies. Lincoln was no friend to the Constitution, in fact, he was one of its worst enemies.


10 posted on 02/17/2010 4:10:04 PM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: Regulator
By the same token the states do not own us, either.

So a state government or convention can't simply declare on its own that its citizens are no longer a part of the country.

Checks and balances, checks and balances: to give any state institution unchecked power to dissolve ties with rest of the country goes against both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution.

14 posted on 02/17/2010 4:24:21 PM PST by x
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To: Regulator

Secession is a right of any State.

I disagree.

"The Preamble of The Constitution says:

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'

Formed by the people, the whole people, of the United States, its existence is dependent on them, aud not on the States ; and it can only be dissolved by the power that give it birth; States may pass ordinances of seccession, but they cannot over- throw the fabric created by the source of all political authority in this country — the people." - In Congress, Rep. Edward J. Morris (Penn) January 30, 1861.

The union known as The United States was formed by the people, the whole of the people, and only the whole of the people have the authority to dissolve it.

Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine; In memoria æterna erit justus, ab auditione mala non timebit.

Beauseant!

69 posted on 02/18/2010 10:34:05 AM PST by Lancelot Jones (Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Regulator

The 1st Civil War, through force, temporarily settled the question adequately for a Century plus.....The next Civil War will settle it again - with a different outcome, hopefully. Collectively, this country can’t survive with half [or more and growing] its population being net ‘users/takers’ of the GDP.


144 posted on 02/18/2010 3:12:23 PM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Regulator

In 2009-2010, so far 36 of the 50 states have re-inforced the sovereignty recognized of them in the 10th ammendment to the Federal Constitution.

The 36 state legislatures have done this by passing their own state statutes in which they re-assert their sovereignty. I may be wrong, but I believe that Gov. Palin was the first to endorse this kind of legislation and she got it passed in Alaska prior to her departure from public office.


320 posted on 02/24/2010 4:13:35 AM PST by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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