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To: BP2
You demonstrate the ability to read Blackstone, but your attempt to apply it to the circumstances of Obama's birth is so error prone one can only suspect it is deliberate.

If we apply Blackstine as you have referenced him, then Obama's British citizenship is null and void.. i.e. it does not even exist.

He points out that "natural allegiance is perpetual." Have you forgotten so quickly that under Blackstone's definition, Obama's natural allegiance is his American citizenship and not his British citizenship?

Blackstone is explicit that natural born citizenship is a function of place exclusively, and that natural allegiance is that owed to the sovereign because of birth under the protection of that sovereign. Jus sanguinis citizenship is not (in Blackstone's view and that of English common law) "intrinsic, and primitive, and antecedent to the other." Blackstone rejects the very existence of dual citizenship... and assigns in any competing claims to citizenship complete deference to place of birth over any jus sanguinis assignment of citizenship, or even voluntary naturalization on the part of the individual.

As such... your reference here is meaningful to Obama's father, but not to Obama. Obama remains under 500 years of Anglo-American common law a natural born American citizen, no matter what other country makes a concurrent claim.
667 posted on 02/15/2010 8:55:49 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins; Red Steel; DaveTesla; Lmo56; STE=Q; Velveeta; LucyT; All

> Blackstone rejects the very existence of dual citizenship

Bullsh!t.

Blackstone is not some Chinese buffet where EnderWiggins gets to pick the broccoli beef while ignoring the General Tso's chicken. It's all or nothing.

Just like post-1990 US State Dept directives regarding "dual citizenship", Blackstone acknowledged hundreds of years ago that as the British empire is strewn across all four corners of the globe, the concept of "dual nationality" is relevant and applicable to the Crown's Natural Born Subjects.

Take those dimestore glasses off and read again:

Indeed the natural-born subject of one prince, to whom he owes allegiance, may be entangled by subjecting himself absolutely to another; but it is his own act that brings him into these straits and difficulties, of owing service to two masters; and it is unreasonable that, by such voluntary act of his own, he should be able at pleasure to unloose those bands, by which he is connected to his natural prince.

You after-birthers keep trying to shift the focus onto Obama's mama and her US citizenry, when Blackstone, despite changes in current citizenship laws, would be VERY clear that Obama Jr is BOTH a US Citizen and a British Natural Born Subject:

But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king's ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception (Source: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_4_citizenships1.html).


“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


680 posted on 02/15/2010 10:58:36 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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