Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959
OK, use your intellectual honesty and tell me how someone born a citizen of the UK becomes a natural born citizen of the US. Tell me what the legal procedure is. This I would love to hear.
‘Allotment Act of 1887, conferred citizenship on many Indians.
Obot’s chasing their tails.....
The Obot Creed
I believe in Barack Obama, the bearer of Hope and Change
And in his rhetoric, and tales of woe
Who was born of the mother Stanley, in a place unknown
In the sixth year migrated to Indonesia
He ascended to the Senate, and unqualified, usurped the Presidency
Who suffered under Orly Taitz and was slurred by racist birthers
I believe in spreading the wealth
Of the taxes and levies therein,
the loss of freedom, that cost doesn’t matter
That healthcare is free
As long as I don’t have pay
Dual Citizenship is not sole jurisdiction, is it?
By the constitution of the United States it states that the President must be a natural born citizen. That requires a document called a BIRTH CERTIFICATE which states the CITIZENSHIP of the PARENTS. The COLB does not have that information on it. If you have not been following this issue then you would not realize that FOREIGNERS can register a birth in the state of Hawaii.
And that lends what credibility to your false assertion?
Again you demonstrate you complete ignorance on this subject.
See my post #37 and study up lest you be accused of being a troll.....which is my bet anyway.
When you have two citizen parents, there is no dual nationality or citizenship.
As per Thomas Jefferson;
In Letters of Delegates to Congress, 1774-1789, Volume 21, Pages 250-251 ( http://tinyurl.com/8zvmgy ), we see notes from Thomas Jefferson from December 1783.
The first question is
“Qu. 1. Can an American citizen, adult, now inherit lands in England?”
to which Thomas Jefferson begins his answer with
“Natural subjects can inherit–Aliens cannot.
There is no middle character–every man must be the one or the other of these.”
(In other words, dual nationality did not exist. Citizenship was singular.)
Thomas Jefferson also wrote this in his answer:
“An alien is the subject or citizen of a foreign power.
The treaty of peace acknowleges we are no longer to owe allegiance to the king of G.B. It acknowleges us no longer as Natural subjects then.
It makes us citizens of independent states; it makes us aliens then.”
(So, in the context of these notes, an “alien” is an American citizen and not a British subject.)
The second question is
“Qu.2. The father a British subject; the son in America, adult, and within the description of an American citizen, according to their laws. Can the son inherit?”
and Thomas Jefferson answers, before dealing with an objection,
“He owes allegiance to the states. He is an alien then and cannot inherit.”
(For the adult “alien” citizen son, the state of the British father does not descend to him, neither with respect to nationality/allegiance nor with respect to property.)
The third question is
“Qu. 3. The father a British subject. The son as in Qu. 2. but an infant. Can he inherit?”
Thomas Jefferson’s answer:
“1st. by the Common law.
We have seen before that the state of the father does not draw to it as an accessory that of the son where he is an adult. But by the common law.”
(Thomas Jefferson wrote that there was “no middle character” between a “natural subject” and an “alien”. Further, he called the ADULT AMERICAN CITIZEN son of the British subject an ALIEN who could not inherit from the British father. So, it stands to reason that Thomas Jefferson is calling the MINOR son of the British subject a NATURAL SUBJECT by the common law in following the state of the father, even though the minor son is in America following the Treaty of Paris, called the “treaty of peace” in Thomas Jefferson’s answer to Question 1.)
“An alien is the subject or citizen of a foreign power.
The treaty of peace acknowleges we are no longer to owe allegiance to the king of G.B. It acknowleges us no longer as Natural subjects then.
It makes us citizens of independent states; it makes us aliens then.”
Here is the bomb-
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Therefore Obama is an alien of the United States and an Alien is not, can not, nor EVER be a “Natural Born Citizen”
There is no middle character, Obama fails.
The Supreme Court of the United States, in The Venus, relied upon Vattel’s “Law of Nations” as the authority on citizenship issues.
The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814
“Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, [Vattel] says, ‘the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.’ ”
Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
There would be bleed-though and evidence as demonstrated on my multiple documenation of the forgery.
Sorry - you loose.
You'd probably get my vote!
Uh huh, thats why the requirement for POTUS is the ONLY one that stipulates NBC, everthing else is "Citizen".
Nah, no difference there at all.
See my post #37 and learn something smart ass.
I am sorry you are disgusted, I am documenter who wants to see Obama’s documents.
I have also fought in war, was shot twice. How about you service to this country?
Here's where you go wrong. On your Free Republic personal information page, you state, and I quote:
"I was born in Brooklyn, New York, USA, but my father was Israeli and fought in the 1948-49 War of Independence and in the 1956 Sinai Campaign. I've split time between the two countries, largely for financial and business reasons, but most of my family is in Israel and I consider it my home."
Where do you think a good chunk of Obama's relatives live? I'll give you a hint: Kenya. (If they haven't already illegally snuck into America...)
The "Natural Born Citizen" requirement was put in the Constitution to prevent electing someone with "foreign allegiances."
In other words, you are also in the same predicament as Obama and would encounter the same exact resistance as Obama if you were somehow elected President of the United States.
Obama said he is, "a citizen of the world."
I believe him.
Obama was not on U.S. government business when he went to Kenya and campaigned for Odinga.
So, he has most certainly demonstrated his loyalty to the Kenyan government.
I, for one, do not trust Obama to fully protect America from Kenya should the Kenyan government decide to go rouge and attack the United States.
Do you really trust yourself enough to push that big red button to destroy Israel if you were made President of the United States and Israel decided to launch some nukes our way? I seriously doubt it.
Cheers
There is a difference, factually demonstrated here.
Obama is a foreigner, alien to the United States.
Prove that he’s not.
LOL! Thanks! I’ll alert my campaign headquarters about your support, immediately.
:^)
Cheers
Good lord.
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