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Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
nobarack08 | Feb 12, 2010 | syc1959

Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959

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To: EnderWiggins
Are they the children of a plumber? Or are they the children of plumbers?

Getting a wee bit desperate there wiggie.

1,081 posted on 02/17/2010 4:52:33 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: little jeremiah
This has to be the all time greatest thread here on this subject!!

Makes putting up with all of the trolls and obots worth it!

1,082 posted on 02/17/2010 4:58:58 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: EnderWiggins

Outstanding post Ender.


1,083 posted on 02/17/2010 5:01:10 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: EnderWiggins

You are An American subject?

Who is your King?


1,084 posted on 02/17/2010 5:08:23 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: EnderWiggins

“I will take your timidity as a complete concession of the point. “

There was no point.


1,085 posted on 02/17/2010 5:12:31 PM PST by Lower55
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To: MilspecRob
Outstanding post Ender.

bbBBWwwwaaahhhhaahaaa...trolls of a feather...

1,086 posted on 02/17/2010 5:16:20 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: EnderWiggins

“On another note, Are you trying to tell people what a Natural Born Citizen “IS” or what a Natural Born Citizen “IS NOT”

Just curious.”

Still curious.


1,087 posted on 02/17/2010 5:17:17 PM PST by Lower55
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To: Las Vegas Ron
bbBBWwwwaaahhhhaahaaa...trolls of a feather...

Did it ever occur to you that people might disagree with you on an issue without being trolls?

1,088 posted on 02/17/2010 5:19:11 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Did it ever occur to you that people might disagree with you on an issue without being trolls?

Of course, but not that poster.

1,089 posted on 02/17/2010 5:22:18 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: EnderWiggins
There is a group of 5 unrelated children. Each of them has one parent who is a plumber, and another who is not,

Are they the children of a plumber? Or are they the children of plumbers?

Each is a child of a plumber however since each child has a parent that is not a plumber, it would be inaccurate to say that they are the children of Plumbers since one of their parents of each child is not a plumber.

They are however children of their parents.

1,090 posted on 02/17/2010 5:36:56 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Danae

Everything the Lord does serves many purposes... and even those working against His will often turn out to be serving His will, albeit not of their own accord.

I swear, you are all doing an incredible job and I will humbly admit I am not fit to read everything you all are writing and posting, what to speak of understanding it all.

But I get the general gist of it, and the deceit and venom and duplicity of the 0-suckers is obvious even to the dull witted.

I have no doubt that many are learning from all this work.


1,091 posted on 02/17/2010 5:51:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: EnderWiggins

Look... the whole NBC redefinition issue is already dead. That one already got to the Supreme Court and was refused consideration on its merits.

Negative. It was "dismissed" without comment, and most likely because proper Legal Standing wasn't shown and the case was likely deemed too political for the SCOTUS to take on, just as Gordon predicted in his 1968 essay.

I have been telling people for almost two years (first Phil Berg, then Leo Donofrio, then Orly Taitz, then Mario Apuzzo) that if any genuine evidence existed that the Obama COLB was a forgery then a criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH ...

First of all, some have in the past have attempted ... it's just not be made public. Other people are working a different angle currently. In December 2008, it came very close to a head from the Arizona AG, but that was shut down too likely because of “Federal intervention” to "protect" the office of the President. The "political will" wasn't there when the first African-American President's approval was near 70 percent. What a difference a year makes.

However, the Birth Certificate is a totally different issue. Let's not muddy the waters with that side of the Eligibility debate. Orly pursues that argument, while Leo (and Pidgeon) is interested in Obama’s status as a British Subject. The definition of “Natural Born Citizen” is part of that argument.

For the record, the nation would been having this Constitutional crisis had McCain won. I would have been against McCain's Eligibility too as he was NOT born in the Panama Canal Zone (a land lease anyway), or as Gabriel J. Chin says “11 months and a hundred yards short of [Natural Born] Citizenship”.

As you and I both know, the Constitution does NOT define “Natural Born Citizen”. The answer lies primarily in Original Intent.

If McCain or Bobby Jindal runs in 2012, we'll be having this debate in two years, and the After-Birther will become the Birthers — how ironic.

With the GOP likely taking the House and maybe even the Senate in 2010 and public disgust with Obama piquing, how would EnderWiggins recommend this long-running Constitutional question be resolved?


1,092 posted on 02/17/2010 6:01:07 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I personally believe that trolls have a higher IQ level the Obama supporters.
You can tell by the Obot’s repeated post, how upset they get when someone questions their daddy.


1,093 posted on 02/17/2010 6:25:23 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins
We never asked for proof...

We already knew...

What we asked for...

evidence for our claim...

Who is WE?

1,094 posted on 02/17/2010 6:34:31 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: EnderWiggins
I have been telling people for almost two years (first Phil Berg, then Leo Donofrio, then Orly Taitz, then Mario Apuzzo) that if any genuine evidence existed that the Obama COLB was a forgery, then a criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH for fraud was the swiftest and surest way to get access to Obama's records. The DOH knows there is a COLB circulating with their stamp and seal on it. They know whether or not it is forged. If it is forged and they have not exposed the fraud, then they are complicit. And if there is any evidence that it actually is forged, they would have to prove otherwise in any criminal proceeding against them by opening up the records and showing so.

Omg, I actually agree with you on something.

1,095 posted on 02/17/2010 6:38:26 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: All; EnderWiggins; BP2; DaveTesla; syc1959

If Barry was applying for a position of executive chef at the White House, would he pass a Yankee White?


1,096 posted on 02/17/2010 6:44:19 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta

Either the royal “We” or perhaps Wiggie and Rahmie.


1,097 posted on 02/17/2010 7:08:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah
But I get the general gist of it, and the deceit and venom and duplicity of the 0-suckers is obvious even to the dull witted

You are not "dull witted" and neither are the American People.

American's of good heart and a little common sense get 'the deceit, and venom, and duplicity, of the 0-suckers' -- in spite of all the subterfuge of his paid apologists.

STE=Q

1,098 posted on 02/17/2010 7:12:52 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Hi Ron

Insightful post.

You must have had to plug your brain into an extension cord to power that one. Better put your head in a bucket of ice water so that brain doesn't over heat, 7 minutes should cool it off.

1,099 posted on 02/17/2010 7:13:08 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob
ooooh, that was a good one, did you have to resort to your 7th grade journal for it or did you just reach in and pull it out of your arse?
1,100 posted on 02/17/2010 7:40:02 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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