Posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385
It is nothing short of incredible that a combat veteran who has claimed to be a conservative Senator has led the fight to reward with amnesty, the millions of Mexican and Central American nationals who have entered this nation illegally. While the betrayal of the American people on behalf of foreign invaders by Sen. John McCain may be puzzling to most, the former POW actually has somewhat of a history of betraying his fellow citizens in favor of a foreign enemy.
The question of McCain's true motives should be examined.
On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton.'
Once in a cell, he was beaten and interrogated daily. Still being refused medical treatment and in severe pain, McCain agreed to talk in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."
The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family's powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of incredible torture and attempts at re-education, some sessions were reportedly conducted by Soviet officers.
McCain has said that he was regularly visited by senior communist Vietnamese officials. One visitor was famous NVA Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap.
Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents which is a severe violation of the military code of conduct.
Despite John McCain's years of painful torture at the hands of the NVA, he has been Hanoi's strongest advocate in the U.S. Senate. For years, he pushed for the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam, even though that country has never fully cooperated on the issue of American POW's.
In 1992, John McCain was serving on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. Vietnamese officials began to complain that American POW/MIA activists (mostly family members of the missing men) were causing too many problems and posed a threat to lifting the U.S. trade embargo on Vietnam. Incredibly, Senator and former POW McCain then went on a campaign against the POW/MIA activists and accused them of fraud. McCain once said of the families: "The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are criminals and some of the most craven, most cynical, and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam."
Sen. McCain demanded and received a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the two major POW/MIA activist groups. Of course, no fraud, as McCain alleged, was ever found. The families were left angry and mystified as to why McCain had betrayed them. McCain succeeded and the trade embargo against communist Vietnam was lifted, and there has never been a full accounting of North Vietnamese atrocities against American POWs.
In 1992, NVA Col. Bui Tin, who interrogated McCain in the Hanoi Hilton, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He told the Senators (including McCain) that Soviet officers regularly interrogated and tortured American POW's. During a break in the proceedings, Sen. McCain and Col. Tin enjoyed a hug and exchanged the kind of longing looks that a man would usually share with his long-lost father, or perhaps in McCain's case...His comrade?
Just as John McCain has collaborated with the Vietnamese enemy, he has collaborated with the leaders of the Mexican Reconquista movement for some time. Among other outrages, he has spoken at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza for the last several years.
As one of the keynote speakers at the 2004 conference, he told the zealous crowd: "It is in our national interest to bring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and allow them an opportunity to become citizens of this great nation."
After the massive illegal alien protests in 2006, McCain made the following statement: "If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail."
Under Sen. McCain's immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would have received amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation. The so-called 'background checks' that illegal aliens would have been given were only of the 24-hour variety, which reveal very little, if anything and would then be given a six-month worker card. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would have traveled around the country handing-out amnesty applications to suspected illegal aliens, and all immigration enforcement would have ended.
McCain's plan would spell the end of United States sovereignty. So why would the son and grandson of fiercely proud American warriors, and he himself a combat veteran who suffered tremendous torture at the hands of the criminal North Vietnamese so readily come to the aid of that enemy and attack the families of the men with whom he served? Why would this same man so incredibly betray his own country by granting amnesty to those who sneak into this country´s back door, when so many are waiting to enter America through the front door?
The answers to the aforementioned questions lie deep with Sen. McCain's psyche, which should now be subject to examination. I am not suggesting that McCain set out to betray his country when he began his career at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1954, nor as he flew 23 missions over North Vietnam. However, it would appear that under extreme torture and indoctrination at the hands of his communist captors, he may have been turned...Turned against his own country and sent back to dismantle that country. It is a possibility that needs to be investigated.
When someone with the background of Sen. John McCain is ready to sell-out his fellow POW's and turn the United States into a Third World nation...No other explanation could truly suffice.
It's so cute to see kids playing with their marbles... so innocent, so prescient about their little game... Unfortunately not much else, it seems.
So you think the three scratches that didn’t require any stitches, surgical procedures, or bandages otherwise than band-aids make him a war hero??? Even when one of these minor injuries is self inflicted? You are most defiantly smoking something. Kerry used the system to get out of Nam. He scammed the system. He misrepresented his injuries until witnesses ratted him out. To a fighting GI the indication is that he was a coward and thought he was too good to stay his year like the rest of us. Three months and three scratches and he was back in the states lying to the American people. Skerry didn’t see enough combat to even know what was going on. He was and is a BSing POS. There are many who served with him who told the truth. Their statements are all the same. Skerry lied about many things. Skerry refuses to reveal his discharge status. There is a very good chance it was not originally an honorable discharge. Odds are that he got a 3910 General discharge that was later upgraded. All he has to do is produce his DD Form 214 but he has refused. He stands to lose absolutely nothing if he is telling the truth. I guess it is a matter of perspective. I know of many Heroes that were hurt worse in bar fights and they called that fun. Among combat vets Skerry is a laughable joke. The American fighting man has only vile contempt for a coward that leaves others to fight and die in their place.
My brother in law and several younger cousins are currently active duty. You should hear what they think of the obambat.
My brother in law and several younger cousins are currently active duty. You should hear what they think of the obambat.
So what? It can't be any worse than what I say about him.
“But he has not been charged with crossing a legal line. He has never been charged, never subjected to a grand jury investigation, and no charges have ever been filed in the military under the UCMJ or in the civilian world.”
So, that’s your standard? That he hasn’t been arraigned? Seriously?
I know what he did. You know what he’s done. He isn’t deserving of any honorable man’s respect at this point. He is scum.
“We know the anatomical equivalent of opinions is.”
Your’s too.
“The gold standard is still provable truth, and your words just ain’t it.”
Are you going to claim that it isn’t provably true that McCain supported legislation that violated the Constitution, that he supported the KLA, and shutdown the POW investigations to normalize relations with a Communist country over MONEY?
“Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.” - Harrington.
Telling you I’m a woman when ‘you’ said I was a man is not ‘playing the woman card’ you dolt. Go to the proctologist and have your attitude adjusted.
Still non responsive.
You are wrong on two counts: I am decades older than you and you predicate your arrogant psychological assessment on one sentence. What a phony.
This guy fancies himself a genius. It’s FR Obama. ;) Look at his ‘about’ page. Arrogance on display.
We should keep someone like McLame in power because...???
You hit the nail on the head. Thanks.
I do not - repeat - do not advocate for McCain’s retention in office. In fact, you can find many reasons for disagreeing with his political views. However, character assassination regarding his conduct as a POW is completely unjustified.
I already responded.
You introduced a nonsensical straw man argument.
I don’t argue with straw men.
good info dude, id not seen that before, and it is a pity that more of us are unwilling to even consider the possibility that juan is potentially compromised in more ways than just being a greedy old bastard...
What most here are discussing is legit, given Juan’s behavior in office: was he in fact brainwashed by the NVA/Soviets/whomever during his captivity? It’s hardly impossible and I HAVE heard comments from some of his fellow POWs, though not all of them, that might lend credence to the notion. That would surely explain his behavior toward the MIA families when he and Kerry shut down the hearings and demanded that evidence be destroyed. We already KNOW that Kerry’s a commie.
Still non responsive.
In the final analysis, you and I can have different opinions yet share a love of country.
“...just being a greedy old bastard...”
To my mind, “Greedy” doesn’t seem to be the right issue with him. Damaged, maybe; in which case it’s more a pity and just another example of why we need to once and for all relegate communist/socialist ideology and the people who espouse/force/support it to the trash heap of history.
Maybe he just never fully came home, like a lot of other gentlemen. Of all the torture that can be inflicted on human beings, the torture inflicted on the mind can be the most horrible, because it nevers ends, and rears its head for years to come.
I found that article a few years ago, and kept it because it taught me a lot about what these jerkoffs did to our folks when they got captured.
They think long term; WE think about 20 seconds into the future, and it shows (hence, Obama).
Look up Lt. Col. Nick Rowe, and what the communists did to him, years AFTER he escaped from one of their hell-holes; the NVs called up their communist buddies in the Phillippines and assassinated him in 1989.
http://www.psywarrior.com/rowe.html
and
http://www.aiipowmia.com/inter22/in071402versace.html
Read his book, “Five Years to Freedom”, to learn of the indoctrination and mind games they played on him and his fellow POWs. It’s absolutely evil what these folks did. If I had my way, they’d be individually hunted down and exterminated for what they did - no matter how long it takes, similar to the Mossad hunting concentration camp Nazi guards. And I’d take absolute pleasure in seeing it carried out (may God forgive me).
We’re fighting an ideology that is rotten to its core, who will use, break, and destroy people as they see fit. We forget (or maybe were never taught) that the Moslems who are currently waging worldwide jihad were trained in terror tactics by Soviet communists from all over the world. The “Evil Empire” might be gone, but it’s adherents and true believers are alive and well and thriving.
The Cold War never ended; it just shifted and changed form, true to their doctrine.
Evil people do evil things to good folks; to my mind, that’s what happened to McCain. Maybe I’m wrong, and yes, it’s conjecture, but two and two always adds up to four, and it seems clear to me from his patterns of behavior, that he is quick to defer to the enemy and go against his supporters, and always when its critical, with regularity.
All of that being said, I just don’t believe McCain should be in office any longer. He’s had his “turn”. Time to step down and let the people decide who they want in that seat. And if it turns out that they put him back in, we need to always be on our guard because he is NOT on the right side of things, and have contigency plans in place to counteract any damage he can do - same with Snowe, Collins, etc.
I don’t want to engage in his character assassination; he served his Country, was brutalized beyond comprehension, and did what he did. Those of us who haven’t been through that can fathom it, and none of us know the dark secrets of another’s heart or motives. Only God knows them.
I just want my country back, and want to see people with that same viewpoint in positions where they can actually help us accomplish that goal. McCain isn’t that guy.
i respect his service and the fact that he endured POW treatment, but the fact remains that he is unwilling to go away...just like fat ted, he seems determined to die in office, for his own, or worse, his implanted motives...
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