Posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385
It is nothing short of incredible that a combat veteran who has claimed to be a conservative Senator has led the fight to reward with amnesty, the millions of Mexican and Central American nationals who have entered this nation illegally. While the betrayal of the American people on behalf of foreign invaders by Sen. John McCain may be puzzling to most, the former POW actually has somewhat of a history of betraying his fellow citizens in favor of a foreign enemy.
The question of McCain's true motives should be examined.
On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton.'
Once in a cell, he was beaten and interrogated daily. Still being refused medical treatment and in severe pain, McCain agreed to talk in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."
The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family's powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of incredible torture and attempts at re-education, some sessions were reportedly conducted by Soviet officers.
McCain has said that he was regularly visited by senior communist Vietnamese officials. One visitor was famous NVA Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap.
Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents which is a severe violation of the military code of conduct.
Despite John McCain's years of painful torture at the hands of the NVA, he has been Hanoi's strongest advocate in the U.S. Senate. For years, he pushed for the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam, even though that country has never fully cooperated on the issue of American POW's.
In 1992, John McCain was serving on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. Vietnamese officials began to complain that American POW/MIA activists (mostly family members of the missing men) were causing too many problems and posed a threat to lifting the U.S. trade embargo on Vietnam. Incredibly, Senator and former POW McCain then went on a campaign against the POW/MIA activists and accused them of fraud. McCain once said of the families: "The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are criminals and some of the most craven, most cynical, and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam."
Sen. McCain demanded and received a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the two major POW/MIA activist groups. Of course, no fraud, as McCain alleged, was ever found. The families were left angry and mystified as to why McCain had betrayed them. McCain succeeded and the trade embargo against communist Vietnam was lifted, and there has never been a full accounting of North Vietnamese atrocities against American POWs.
In 1992, NVA Col. Bui Tin, who interrogated McCain in the Hanoi Hilton, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He told the Senators (including McCain) that Soviet officers regularly interrogated and tortured American POW's. During a break in the proceedings, Sen. McCain and Col. Tin enjoyed a hug and exchanged the kind of longing looks that a man would usually share with his long-lost father, or perhaps in McCain's case...His comrade?
Just as John McCain has collaborated with the Vietnamese enemy, he has collaborated with the leaders of the Mexican Reconquista movement for some time. Among other outrages, he has spoken at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza for the last several years.
As one of the keynote speakers at the 2004 conference, he told the zealous crowd: "It is in our national interest to bring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and allow them an opportunity to become citizens of this great nation."
After the massive illegal alien protests in 2006, McCain made the following statement: "If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail."
Under Sen. McCain's immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would have received amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation. The so-called 'background checks' that illegal aliens would have been given were only of the 24-hour variety, which reveal very little, if anything and would then be given a six-month worker card. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would have traveled around the country handing-out amnesty applications to suspected illegal aliens, and all immigration enforcement would have ended.
McCain's plan would spell the end of United States sovereignty. So why would the son and grandson of fiercely proud American warriors, and he himself a combat veteran who suffered tremendous torture at the hands of the criminal North Vietnamese so readily come to the aid of that enemy and attack the families of the men with whom he served? Why would this same man so incredibly betray his own country by granting amnesty to those who sneak into this country´s back door, when so many are waiting to enter America through the front door?
The answers to the aforementioned questions lie deep with Sen. McCain's psyche, which should now be subject to examination. I am not suggesting that McCain set out to betray his country when he began his career at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1954, nor as he flew 23 missions over North Vietnam. However, it would appear that under extreme torture and indoctrination at the hands of his communist captors, he may have been turned...Turned against his own country and sent back to dismantle that country. It is a possibility that needs to be investigated.
When someone with the background of Sen. John McCain is ready to sell-out his fellow POW's and turn the United States into a Third World nation...No other explanation could truly suffice.
Ten years ago, I thought George Bush would be a conservative President. I guess JD and I have both learned a lot since then.
But this relates to the price of eggs exactly how?
That and the fact that you don't have a grade school level of competence in grammar or syntax. Posts with substantive facts wouldn't hurt your arguments either. Stick to what you know though. Insults, character assassination and false accusations.
Please be succinct and avoid pontifical conjecture.
In the interim, it is gym time for this 72 year old body.
But he has not been charged with crossing a legal line. He has never been charged, never subjected to a grand jury investigation, and no charges have ever been filed in the military under the UCMJ or in the civilian world. All we have it your words, what you believe. We know the anatomical equivalent of opinions is.
The gold standard is still provable truth, and your words just ain’t it.
They are indeed!
Don't forget to exercise that straw man you got there, too.
Am sure the many on FR who know me personally have
found your attempt of trying to be an adult amusing.
Accusing people of what you do yourself is is also
quite amusing.
Nice try.
Hypocrite.
It’s crossed my mind many times. Enlightening reading...(and this refers to Korea, but those same interrogators and indoctrination techinques were probably shipped to Vietnam as well.)
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/Congress.htm
Judge for yourselves. And to be fair to McCain, maybe not “brainwashed” as much as just “broken”. Remember, these are evil people, and there are not too many human beings who can stand up to REAL torture - mental, physical, etc, that the communists were masters of - as opposed to the Gitmo underwear-on-the-head so-called “torture”.
-Hale
“This document is copied from the Congressional record. The introductory information about the Congressional Committee has been placed at the end of this page.
See also Brainwashing and “Education Reform”
MR. HUNTER: “The Communist inquisitors in the POW camps depended first of all on a screening process to provide them with the men most likely to succumb to brainwashing. They picked the ones they figured would be most useful to them from among these. Cunning was all that was needed, along with a complete disregard for ethics; no special intelligence.... They have based their technique primarily on the complete abandonment of morality.”
“..As an example of the success the Communists are achieving, Mr. Hunter cited statistics on American prisoners of war in Korea.
“Never before in history had so many captured Americans gone to the aid of the enemy.
“For 2 years the services studied the records of the prisoners. What they found was not pretty.
“A total of 7,190 Americans were captured. Of these, 6,656 were Army troops, 263 were airmen, 231 Marines, 40 Navy men.
“In every war in American history some men have managed to escape. Korea was the exception.
“Roughly 1 of every 3 American prisoners collaborated with the Communists in some way, either as informants or as propagandists.
“In the 20 prison camps, 2, 730 of the 7,190 Americans died, the highest morality rate among prisoners in United States history. Many of them died unnecessarily. They either did not know how to take care of themselves of they just lay down and quit. Some sick or wounded died of malnutrition abandoned by their comrades.
“Discipline among Americans was almost nonexistent. It was a case of dog eat dog for food, cigarettes, blankets, clothes.
“For the first time in history, Americans — 21 of them — swallowed the enemy’s propaganda line and declined to return to their own people.”
Mr. Hunter declared that in the struggle with the Soviet Union, “we are losing so fast that unless we put a very drastic end to it, the question of who is winning will be academic in a decade.”
“People at lectures and elsewhere,” he declared, “frequently ask that of me, as if begging me to say that we are winning. I wish I could, but one only has to think of the position of the United States at the end of the war and compare it to now. We only have to look at the map of the world as it was when signed the peace on the battleship Missouri and compare it to the map now. Great areas with enormous populations have fallen into the hands of the Reds, not through any approximation to the democratic process, but through sheer power pressures, by psychological warfare.”
That is an interesting comment.
There are those who do and have done and there are those who haven’t and never will.
You haven’t lived until you have played with your own soul where one wrong step, maybe the next one, or a chute failure will end everything.
Life is not worth living unless you can hear your heart beating every now and then.
I’m not only retired from the military, I’m a disabled vet.
It’s all about gonads, either you have them or you just bow up and call others names. Every right I enjoy here in the good old USA I have earned. I didn’t leave it to others so I could sit back and talk about them when they were done. And you call me a Hypocrite.
Yep, I did.
You accept and promote the claims made against John Kerry because he has a D by his name. You ignore the claims made against John McCain because he has an R by his name. I don’t play the cult of personality game.
Non responsive.
Nonsensical.
You made a straw man argument and left the playing field. You'll have to do better than that.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Considering that everyone has an opinion, what makes yours so special that you would want to share it?
Look in the mirror, young man. In the mental health field, this is called projection, the attributing to others what one sees in ones self.
I don't know what drugs you're smoking because I said this...
So it is OK to defame a decorated Vietnam war hero like John Kerry...
No thanks necessary, you played the woman card on this thread and so ended the discussion Go play with your iPad.
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