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Was John McCain Brainwashed While Imprisoned In North Vietnam? (he called U.S. vets "criminals")
examiner.com ^ | 2010-01-31 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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To: Perdogg
Hayworth supported McCain back in 2000 when he ran for President.

Ten years ago, I thought George Bush would be a conservative President. I guess JD and I have both learned a lot since then.

But this relates to the price of eggs exactly how?

141 posted on 02/01/2010 12:30:12 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: SoCalPol
I often make post simple for the simple minded to understand.

That and the fact that you don't have a grade school level of competence in grammar or syntax. Posts with substantive facts wouldn't hurt your arguments either. Stick to what you know though. Insults, character assassination and false accusations.

142 posted on 02/01/2010 12:38:46 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: exit82
You cannot offer any legitimate proof that he is responsible for the death of any Vietnam era POW/MIA.

Please be succinct and avoid pontifical conjecture.

In the interim, it is gym time for this 72 year old body.

143 posted on 02/01/2010 12:43:30 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Favor Center

But he has not been charged with crossing a legal line. He has never been charged, never subjected to a grand jury investigation, and no charges have ever been filed in the military under the UCMJ or in the civilian world. All we have it your words, what you believe. We know the anatomical equivalent of opinions is.
The gold standard is still provable truth, and your words just ain’t it.


144 posted on 02/01/2010 12:52:27 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: TigersEye

They are indeed!


145 posted on 02/01/2010 12:58:50 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: verity
You cannot offer any legitimate proof that he is responsible for the death of any Vietnam era POW/MIA

Don't forget to exercise that straw man you got there, too.

146 posted on 02/01/2010 1:05:16 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: TigersEye
Kerry.
One of his PH's came from his playing with an M-79 grenade launcher. He didn't know what he was doing with it and the round that he himself fired landed too close to him. It landed is some processed rice and a couple of those rice grains got him in the butt as he ran away. This is true and officially documented by people who witnessed the incident.
The other thing that is true and documented is that he never spent a single day in any hospital for any of the three scratches he got in Nam that generated his PH's. Those of us that were there get a good laugh at the government about his PH scam that got him sent home. He really got over on the system. If you really believe this qualifies him as some big respected "decorated war hero" you need some reality lessons. I could explain to you all about real decorated war hero's but it doesn't fit your talking points so why waste the time. But remember the comparison you are trying to make. Kerry, not a night spent in any hospital, not a single surgical procedure, for any military injury compared to real hero's who have spent months in military hospitals undergoing many surgeries. Maybe you need to go back and read a few posts and then take a look at the black hawk down incident. I can tell you all about real heros. John Kerry isn't man enough to clean the dog crap off of their boots.
147 posted on 02/01/2010 1:10:34 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: TigersEye

Am sure the many on FR who know me personally have
found your attempt of trying to be an adult amusing.
Accusing people of what you do yourself is is also
quite amusing.
Nice try.


148 posted on 02/01/2010 1:15:27 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: oldenuff2no

Hypocrite.


149 posted on 02/01/2010 1:26:46 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: rabscuttle385; mkjessup; sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; Squantos; ...

It’s crossed my mind many times. Enlightening reading...(and this refers to Korea, but those same interrogators and indoctrination techinques were probably shipped to Vietnam as well.)

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/Congress.htm

Judge for yourselves. And to be fair to McCain, maybe not “brainwashed” as much as just “broken”. Remember, these are evil people, and there are not too many human beings who can stand up to REAL torture - mental, physical, etc, that the communists were masters of - as opposed to the Gitmo underwear-on-the-head so-called “torture”.

-Hale

“This document is copied from the Congressional record. The introductory information about the Congressional Committee has been placed at the end of this page.

See also Brainwashing and “Education Reform”

MR. HUNTER: “The Communist inquisitors in the POW camps depended first of all on a screening process to provide them with the men most likely to succumb to brainwashing. They picked the ones they figured would be most useful to them from among these. Cunning was all that was needed, along with a complete disregard for ethics; no special intelligence.... They have based their technique primarily on the complete abandonment of morality.”

“..As an example of the success the Communists are achieving, Mr. Hunter cited statistics on American prisoners of war in Korea.

“Never before in history had so many captured Americans gone to the aid of the enemy.

“For 2 years the services studied the records of the prisoners. What they found was not pretty.

“A total of 7,190 Americans were captured. Of these, 6,656 were Army troops, 263 were airmen, 231 Marines, 40 Navy men.

“In every war in American history some men have managed to escape. Korea was the exception.

“Roughly 1 of every 3 American prisoners collaborated with the Communists in some way, either as informants or as propagandists.

“In the 20 prison camps, 2, 730 of the 7,190 Americans died, the highest morality rate among prisoners in United States history. Many of them died unnecessarily. They either did not know how to take care of themselves of they just lay down and quit. Some sick or wounded died of malnutrition abandoned by their comrades.

“Discipline among Americans was almost nonexistent. It was a case of dog eat dog for food, cigarettes, blankets, clothes.

“For the first time in history, Americans — 21 of them — swallowed the enemy’s propaganda line and declined to return to their own people.”

Mr. Hunter declared that in the struggle with the Soviet Union, “we are losing so fast that unless we put a very drastic end to it, the question of who is winning will be academic in a decade.”

“People at lectures and elsewhere,” he declared, “frequently ask that of me, as if begging me to say that we are winning. I wish I could, but one only has to think of the position of the United States at the end of the war and compare it to now. We only have to look at the map of the world as it was when signed the peace on the battleship Missouri and compare it to the map now. Great areas with enormous populations have fallen into the hands of the Reds, not through any approximation to the democratic process, but through sheer power pressures, by psychological warfare.”


150 posted on 02/01/2010 1:50:07 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: TigersEye

That is an interesting comment.
There are those who do and have done and there are those who haven’t and never will.
You haven’t lived until you have played with your own soul where one wrong step, maybe the next one, or a chute failure will end everything.
Life is not worth living unless you can hear your heart beating every now and then.
I’m not only retired from the military, I’m a disabled vet.
It’s all about gonads, either you have them or you just bow up and call others names. Every right I enjoy here in the good old USA I have earned. I didn’t leave it to others so I could sit back and talk about them when they were done. And you call me a Hypocrite.


151 posted on 02/01/2010 2:15:22 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

Yep, I did.


152 posted on 02/01/2010 2:45:00 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: oldenuff2no

You accept and promote the claims made against John Kerry because he has a D by his name. You ignore the claims made against John McCain because he has an R by his name. I don’t play the cult of personality game.


153 posted on 02/01/2010 2:54:51 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: exit82

Non responsive.


154 posted on 02/01/2010 4:26:36 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: verity
Non responsive.

Nonsensical.

You made a straw man argument and left the playing field. You'll have to do better than that.

155 posted on 02/01/2010 5:20:30 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: TigersEye
I don't know what kind of drug you are smoking but you're not handling it well. There has never been a single moment in time that I have promoted Skerry.
Again, your words have nothing to do with the truth, they aren't even faintly related fact.
John McCain has earned the right to his opinion and it makes no matter in this life of the next if you agree with him. I stated many posts ago that I don't happen to agree with a lot of his political views but it isn't because I agree with Skerry Kerry. So smoke the other half of whatever took you too never never land and maybe you will be a bit more clear headed after a good nights sleep. I am, in fact, mostly libertarian and damn proud of it.
156 posted on 02/01/2010 5:34:08 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: tlb
This crap degrades FR and all its users.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. Considering that everyone has an opinion, what makes yours so special that you would want to share it?

157 posted on 02/01/2010 5:37:41 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: verity
You are a hate mongering bastard.

Look in the mirror, young man. In the mental health field, this is called projection, the attributing to others what one sees in ones self.

158 posted on 02/01/2010 5:42:42 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: oldenuff2no
I don't know what kind of drug you are smoking but you're not handling it well. There has never been a single moment in time that I have promoted Skerry.

I don't know what drugs you're smoking because I said this...

So it is OK to defame a decorated Vietnam war hero like John Kerry...

159 posted on 02/01/2010 5:44:22 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: ReneeLynn
You mean ‘Oh, sorry. I attributed a quote to you that wasn’t yours’? Thank you, I think.

No thanks necessary, you played the woman card on this thread and so ended the discussion Go play with your iPad.

160 posted on 02/01/2010 5:51:29 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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