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Was John McCain Brainwashed While Imprisoned In North Vietnam? (he called U.S. vets "criminals")
examiner.com ^ | 2010-01-31 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385

It is nothing short of incredible that a combat veteran who has claimed to be a conservative Senator has led the fight to reward with amnesty, the millions of Mexican and Central American nationals who have entered this nation illegally. While the betrayal of the American people on behalf of foreign invaders by Sen. John McCain may be puzzling to most, the former POW actually has somewhat of a history of betraying his fellow citizens in favor of a foreign enemy.

The question of McCain's true motives should be examined.

On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton.'

Once in a cell, he was beaten and interrogated daily. Still being refused medical treatment and in severe pain, McCain agreed to talk in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family's powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of incredible torture and attempts at re-education, some sessions were reportedly conducted by Soviet officers.

McCain has said that he was regularly visited by senior communist Vietnamese officials. One visitor was famous NVA Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap.

Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents which is a severe violation of the military code of conduct.

Despite John McCain's years of painful torture at the hands of the NVA, he has been Hanoi's strongest advocate in the U.S. Senate. For years, he pushed for the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam, even though that country has never fully cooperated on the issue of American POW's.

In 1992, John McCain was serving on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. Vietnamese officials began to complain that American POW/MIA activists (mostly family members of the missing men) were causing too many problems and posed a threat to lifting the U.S. trade embargo on Vietnam. Incredibly, Senator and former POW McCain then went on a campaign against the POW/MIA activists and accused them of fraud. McCain once said of the families: "The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are criminals and some of the most craven, most cynical, and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam."

Sen. McCain demanded and received a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the two major POW/MIA activist groups. Of course, no fraud, as McCain alleged, was ever found. The families were left angry and mystified as to why McCain had betrayed them. McCain succeeded and the trade embargo against communist Vietnam was lifted, and there has never been a full accounting of North Vietnamese atrocities against American POWs.

In 1992, NVA Col. Bui Tin, who interrogated McCain in the Hanoi Hilton, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He told the Senators (including McCain) that Soviet officers regularly interrogated and tortured American POW's. During a break in the proceedings, Sen. McCain and Col. Tin enjoyed a hug and exchanged the kind of longing looks that a man would usually share with his long-lost father, or perhaps in McCain's case...His comrade?

Just as John McCain has collaborated with the Vietnamese enemy, he has collaborated with the leaders of the Mexican Reconquista movement for some time. Among other outrages, he has spoken at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza for the last several years.

As one of the keynote speakers at the 2004 conference, he told the zealous crowd: "It is in our national interest to bring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and allow them an opportunity to become citizens of this great nation."

After the massive illegal alien protests in 2006, McCain made the following statement: "If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail."

Under Sen. McCain's immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would have received amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation. The so-called 'background checks' that illegal aliens would have been given were only of the 24-hour variety, which reveal very little, if anything and would then be given a six-month worker card. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would have traveled around the country handing-out amnesty applications to suspected illegal aliens, and all immigration enforcement would have ended.

McCain's plan would spell the end of United States sovereignty. So why would the son and grandson of fiercely proud American warriors, and he himself a combat veteran who suffered tremendous torture at the hands of the criminal North Vietnamese so readily come to the aid of that enemy and attack the families of the men with whom he served? Why would this same man so incredibly betray his own country by granting amnesty to those who sneak into this country´s back door, when so many are waiting to enter America through the front door?

The answers to the aforementioned questions lie deep with Sen. McCain's psyche, which should now be subject to examination. I am not suggesting that McCain set out to betray his country when he began his career at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1954, nor as he flew 23 missions over North Vietnam. However, it would appear that under extreme torture and indoctrination at the hands of his communist captors, he may have been turned...Turned against his own country and sent back to dismantle that country. It is a possibility that needs to be investigated.

When someone with the background of Sen. John McCain is ready to sell-out his fellow POW's and turn the United States into a Third World nation...No other explanation could truly suffice.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: brainwashing; communists; juanmccain; manchurianmccain; mccain; mccain4communism; mccain4fascism; mccain4socialism; mccainantiamerica; mccaintruthfile; mcdemocrat; mclame; mcrino; mctraitor; rino; rinos4obama; traitor; traitormccain; vietnam
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1 posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:22 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

He worked side by side with that great vietnam vet and uber patriot Lurch Kerry


2 posted on 01/31/2010 9:13:17 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: lmarie373; Abundy; missanne; Victoria Delsoul; 50mm; stockpirate; Eaker; ducdriver; ChrisInAR; ...
fyi
3 posted on 01/31/2010 9:13:41 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

The line of thinking of this author has crossed my mind before as well. Some of the outrageous perspectives promoted by McPain can IMO be only sourced to mental instability.

McPain needs to be removed from office. He’s a danger to our Nation.


4 posted on 01/31/2010 9:24:03 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good to see you got your Two Minutes of Hate in today...


5 posted on 01/31/2010 9:29:20 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; exit82
Good to see you got your Two Minutes of Hate in today...

His attacks on Vietnam POW and MIA activist groups in the early 1990s are all documented and on the record.

It's not "hate" to point out that McCain is a scoundrel, a weasel, and possibly a traitor too.

6 posted on 01/31/2010 9:31:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
When you have walked in his shoes you will have earned the right to judge him. I have lost a couple friends in the last few years who were POW’s. You have no idea what these brave souls have suffered through. Every man can be broken and every one of them did break. Then they got back up and got ready for the next round. This went on for years.
You may not agree with his politics but he has earned the respect of this country.
7 posted on 01/31/2010 9:31:46 PM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385
It is nothing short of incredible that a...conservative Senator has led the...betrayal of the American people

As far as I'm concerned, "it is nothing short of incredible that a" so-called "conservative" political populace would elect & re-elect this guy to the Senate several times, & then to top it off, nominate him to be their Presidential candidate & vote for him AGAIN!

8 posted on 01/31/2010 9:37:13 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I may not agree with his politics, but damned if I’ll second guess him on what he did while a POW. No way.


9 posted on 01/31/2010 9:38:58 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: rabscuttle385

However it is slander the way you state what he did. You know why he attacked that group? Because they were claiming the US knowingly left living POWs in Vietnam. They called the US military and President traitors for knowingly leaving POWs behind. Didn’t add that, did you? Kind of makes his statement about a SMALL GROUP of POW/MIA families (no, it wasn’t all of them, just a small group) a bit different, doesn’t it?

You’re just a hateful little man, but you go on with your Two Minutes of Hate and shout away at your favorite target. Vent your rage...

Too bad you love Obama and the Leftists who are really destroying this country. No, you only hate John McCain...


10 posted on 01/31/2010 9:50:14 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: rabscuttle385
Why McCain is a treasonous scumbag. 1

Why McCain is a treasonous scumbag. 2


11 posted on 01/31/2010 9:57:44 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid!)
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However, it would appear that under extreme torture and indoctrination at the hands of his communist captors, he may have been turned...Turned against his own country and sent back to dismantle that country. It is a possibility that needs to be investigated.

What a load of bull crap, vicious nonsense.

McCain, like all POW's underwent extensive debriefment and he was deemed sane, unlike his detractors who regularly launch vicious attacks on his POW days, namely one sick idiot, Ted Sampley, who I think, might have finally passed from this earth.

12 posted on 01/31/2010 10:04:39 PM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; TigersEye
However it is slander the way you state what he did.

If (and that's a big *if*) my statements were in fact untrue, then they would have constituted libel, as libel is written while slander is oral or verbal.

Too bad you apparently don't know the difference.

Because they were claiming the US knowingly left living POWs in Vietnam. They called the US military and President traitors for knowingly leaving POWs behind.

Really?

U.S. POW/MIAs Who May Have Survived In Captivity

Prepared by the Office of Senator Bob Smith
Vice-Chairman, Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs

December 1, 1992

This listing contains the names of 324 still unaccounted for U.S. personnel from the Vietnam Conflict. Approximately 300 of these personnel were last known alive in captivity in Vietnam and Laos, last known alive, out of their aircraft before it crashed, or their names were passed to POWs who later returned. A handful of the cases involves incidents where the aircraft was later found on the ground with no signs of the crew. This listing is based on all-source U.S. intelligence and casualty reports, information provided by POWs who were returned, lists of POWs and/or last known alive personnel prepared by the Defense Intelligence Agency, and other information made available to the Vice-Chairman, Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. (The difference between 300 and 324 accounts for known incidents where one or more unidentified crew members were captured from a crew of more than one, or the aircraft was found with no trace of the crew.)

Based on the high number of MIAs at the end of the war who are still unaccounted for (currently 1,170 persons for whom the USG does not know their fate), it is probable that a significant percentage of the MIAs NOT on this 324 list actually survived their incident and could have been captured. Apparently, only the Vietnamese and Laotians would know thei fate, as the U.S. Governemnt does not. Given this reality, the list of 324 names which follows is at best conservative.

Moreover, it should be noted that this number is consistent with the overall numbers represented in the volume of detailed captivity following the war in Vietnam and Laos which have been the focus of investigation by Committee staff.

I found that link on TigersEye's list at post 11.

Do you want to dispute it, and do you want me to start digging through the various databases to which I have access?

Too bad you love Obama and the Leftists who are really destroying this country.

When did I write that?

Or are you now prone to libeling me?

13 posted on 01/31/2010 10:05:06 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain single-handedly keeps trying to give the French the very lucrative aircraft contract for building tanker planes for the US air force even as there is 18% unemployment in the USA. Every time someone stops the deal with France, McCain gets it going again. He is fighting for it right now. I wonder what is in it for him and his crony friends. Hmmmm?
14 posted on 01/31/2010 10:06:44 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; rabscuttle385

You’re exactly right about that group and I won’t argue with about the rest of your post either.

This post about McCain has reached a new low.

Speaks volumes about the poster.


15 posted on 01/31/2010 10:08:00 PM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: oldenuff2no
Your devotion to McCain is touching but there is a legitimate question here.

The effect of prolonged captivity on a person's mental status has long been a subject of study, and it is not unreasonable to ask whether some of McCain's actions have been influenced by his history. It is well established that some POW's have done "what had to be done to survive," and that includes harm to fellow inmates. It is also known that captives sometimes adopt the point of view of their captors. No one can allege with certainty that McCain did any of these things, but the fact is that nothing can be ruled out a priori.

It is misguided to attack a person for asking these questions.

16 posted on 01/31/2010 10:08:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: oldenuff2no
" You may not agree with his politics but he has earned the respect of this country."

First off, anyone who was a guest of the Vietnamese has my total sympathy, really.

But as I understand it, the Gods of Aviation did not smile on McCain, he crashed two aircraft during his student days. Kinda indicates he had no business in high performance A/C?

Please correct me if I'm wrong?

Last, he is reported to be good friends with Sen. Kerry, D-Mass.

Kerry - you may recalled - said US troops were evil and acted like 'Ghenis Khan' (sp?).

Sorry, but your friends are a reflection of who you are.

Even Benedict Arnold was a hero for a while.

17 posted on 01/31/2010 10:09:57 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: rabscuttle385

bookmark


18 posted on 01/31/2010 10:10:00 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

This article is garbage. So much of the story is left out. A congressional medal of honor winner named Bud Day backs him. I am no McCain fan but please this is tripe.


19 posted on 01/31/2010 10:10:34 PM PST by Reagan79 (Today, I consider myself the wisest Latina Woman on the face of the earth.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Like I said, go ahead with your Two Minutes of Hate. It’s your daily ritual. Too bad you don’t hold Obama or any Leftists to account for their actions...


20 posted on 01/31/2010 10:11:18 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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