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Alinsky VS Paine (Part 3)
Common Sense ^ | January 28, 2010 | Kerretarded

Posted on 01/28/2010 9:12:10 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty

Okay. So in yesterday’s Alinsky VS Paine (Part 2) lesson, we were taught the following from Mr. Saul:

1) A young mind is a terrible thing to waste
2) A young mind is very moldable
3) A young mind inherently tends to buck the system while trying to figure out the true meaning of life

And what system does Alinsky want the young radical to buck? He wants them to throw aside their responsibilities and to throw aside materialistic desires. He tells them that the only good that comes out of following in the footsteps of the generations before them is one of relative security. If you live like your father, you will be buying in to the façade. Because, you see, Big Business, through its greed, has succeeded in creating a magnificent illusion where you can “own” property but where you must go to work each and every day as a slave. You are not really free. It is just an illusion.

He wants the young radical to believe that everyone that is rich in America was born into that elite status. He is actually trying to tie some of Paine’s words such as the following:

MANKIND being originally equals in the order of creation, the equality could only be destroyed by some subsequent circumstance; the distinctions of rich, and poor, may in a great measure be accounted for, and that without having recourse to the harsh, ill-sounding names of oppression and avarice. Oppression is often the consequence, but seldom or never the means of riches; and though avarice will preserve a man from being necessitously poor, it generally makes him too timorous to be wealthy. But there is another and greater distinction for which no truly natural or religious reason can be assigned, and that is, the distinction of men into KINGS and SUBJECTS. Male and female are the distinctions of nature, good and bad the distinctions of heaven; but how a race of men came into the world so exalted above the rest, and distinguished like some new species, is worth enquiring into, and whether they are the means of happiness or of misery to mankind.

to his Radical Rules. Where Paine was trying to push the idea that KINGS are really no better than any of the rest of us, so was Alinsky. The difference being that Paine tries to persuade Americans to revolt against the unnatural state of the English King and Alinsky tries to persuade the young radical to revolt against The Rich.

To sum up today’s lesson, Alinsky wishes all men everywhere to have the same life outcome, which is a life without stress, without consequences and without distinctions, i.e. commonality. Paine wishes all men everywhere to have the same chance to succeed.

Alinsky sees Government as the only entity able to legislate this equal outcome, while Paine sees Government as the obstacle to success.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: alinsky; paine

1 posted on 01/28/2010 9:12:10 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty
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To: paulycy; gunnyg; ConjunctionJunction; Kerretarded; edpc; EBH; geologist; Albertafriend; ...

Alinsky Book Club PING!!!


2 posted on 01/28/2010 9:13:48 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (This nation must not die on our watch.)
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To: Kerretarded
Both attempt to describe oppression. Under a KING, the oppression is real, tangible, and raw. A king owns all the land, the people are serfs/slaves, and all materials belong to the king.

Under Alinsky's claim of illusion it is the claim itself that is the false turth. A man who gets up and goes to a job he hates every day is a fool. Freedom gives him the opportunity to break those chains and choose his own path.

Alinsky tries to convince us that Big Business is our oppressor, but Alinsky neglects to explore the idea we still have the freedom to walk away from oppressive situations.

Under the marxist/collectivist mentality there is no private property...ooopps. Funny, that kinda looks like the KING scenario.

3 posted on 01/28/2010 11:38:29 AM PST by EBH (An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced." ~~D'Aconia)
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To: EBH

Very good summary!!!

Thanks!


4 posted on 01/28/2010 12:24:50 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (This nation must not die on our watch.)
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To: EBH
Funny, that kinda looks like the KING scenario.

LOL....exactly! Alinsky, in trying to demonize Big Business as being the oppressor, just replaces WHO IS KING!
5 posted on 01/28/2010 12:27:05 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (This nation must not die on our watch.)
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To: Kerretarded
But how can one demonize the Big Business, as an oppressor, in a free society?

The Alinsky statement is a false truth. He is thinking that by freemen owning private property is an illusion perpetrated by BB. The reality is if the Alinskiests take away private property, they are acting like the king.

BB in a free society cannot be an oppressor. Paine understood the value of private property to a freeman. As a freeman in a free capitalist society I am able to market my skills to anyone. The limit to my property or pursuits is limited only by my own obstacles.

6 posted on 01/28/2010 1:48:10 PM PST by EBH (An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced." ~~D'Aconia)
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To: Kerretarded

Bookmark!


7 posted on 01/29/2010 4:27:53 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: EBH

I have it said that wherever communism has been tried, it has succeeded... in recreating feudalism.


8 posted on 01/29/2010 8:01:57 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (STOP GLOBAL WHINING!!)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I have *HEARD* it said, even. Guess I need more coffee... :)


9 posted on 01/29/2010 8:02:35 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (STOP GLOBAL WHINING!!)
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To: Kerretarded; All

“Two men looked out the jail house bars

One saw mud, the other saw stars.”

source unknown
___________________________________________________________
We basically see, what it is we are looking to find/see.

good/bad
positive/negative
beautiful/ugly
order/chaos
love/hate
bless//kill
hope/apathy
peace/war
free/imprisoned/trapped

We choose. We are responsible for the chooses we make.

Choose wisely.

Radical progressive Marxism is a convoluted, example of chaos, ugly, bad, negative, rape, WAR on America.

Do not look to see the good in it ... there isn’t any.

Union thuggery, gang warfare tactics, twisted thinking of ways and means to oppress and enslave society, are the means they use. MO

Can evil tactics bear good fruit? We know the answer.


10 posted on 01/29/2010 10:23:30 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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