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The inconspicuous flagpole: What Google Maps reveals [Col. Barfoot; FReeper research]
LoudCitizen.org ^ | December 5, 2009 | Paul Klenk

Posted on 12/05/2009 5:32:50 AM PST by Silly

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To: neodad

This Man is a hero, the account of that day are extraordinary!

They should make a movie about his heroics!


41 posted on 12/05/2009 6:14:29 AM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the FEE, home of the SHAMED)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Uh, there is no rule.


42 posted on 12/05/2009 6:15:54 AM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: Silly

I guess if the majority of the people in the HOA are for the flag pole, they should show up at the next meeting and ask the board why they are waisting their hard earned money on lawyers for something that doesn’t really matter. Or recall them.


43 posted on 12/05/2009 6:15:58 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: manc

There is an HOA community that has some real housing deals. We were urged to look there. They also had the highest crime rate.The HOA controlled how peoples yards looked but did nothing about the kids roaming the streets at night. Guess whose kids they were. :-)


44 posted on 12/05/2009 6:17:15 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: cripplecreek

That really stinks.


45 posted on 12/05/2009 6:18:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: HighWheeler

“HOAs are all -eventually- controlled by stupid, busy-body, communist control freaks, no matter how wonderful the original intentions were when the HOA was formed.”

That certainly describes mine.


47 posted on 12/05/2009 6:27:58 AM PST by billhilly
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To: Silly

The HOA legal beagles must be citing some article in the covenant. Do you know the specific wording? It is the crux on which this rests.


48 posted on 12/05/2009 6:30:10 AM PST by HGSW0904
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To: Silly
When there was a flagpole complaint in Loveland Colorado the opposition raised such a ruckus that the government made a law against restricting flags.
49 posted on 12/05/2009 6:30:48 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: samtheman
If the majority of people living in this housing area wanted to support Barfoot, couldn’t they get together and re-elect a new board?

I don't think so, not if the association laws mandate a once a year election. Keep in mind that the bylaws are legal, binding agreements; in essence, LAWS for that community.

Lets say my association prohibits flag poles but they turn a blind eye on one of the residents who puts one up. Me, being the resident nazi, can sue the HOA for not fulfilling their duty in enforcing the HOA laws......

Another thing to keep in mind is that the HOA are the elected officials of the community. They in turn are overseen, if you will, by a management company that contracts with the landscapers, garbage removal companies, snow removal companies, etc. etc. etc.......They also have a legal staff that handles all the legal issue of the condo complex you or I live in.

So, since the HOA allowed that person to put up the flag pole, all I would have to do is contract the management company to complain and they in turn would have their legal dept. contact the HOA to remind them that they were in violation of HOA LAWS.........

50 posted on 12/05/2009 6:31:30 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: HGSW0904

I don’t know it, but I’m sure it will come out somewhere.

I would ask Roger Nicholls, but the family is so bombarded and suffering from the pressure, I don’t want to be a burden.

Also, he said that on advice of counsel, they are keeping silent for the most part, except to thank well-wishers.


51 posted on 12/05/2009 6:32:44 AM PST by Silly ("Okay, I'm getting just a little sick of this bereaved chicken-widow crap!")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Around here we have had a few got built and they all look the same.
Some made by KB homes is where the dreggs of society seem t live and then there are others like palencia where is it one of the snottiest nosed areas I have ever seen .

I’ve just built an addition to my house, rearranged the driveway to now fit many cars or a boat and a motor home cars and built a fence.
If I had tried to do that in one of those HOA I would have been told no...


52 posted on 12/05/2009 6:35:34 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Fortunately I live in a tiny town (under 300 people) where people take care of our own issues neighbor to neighbor. It helps that everybody around here has an independant streak which leads to keeping quiet about things like construction.

Over the summer I tore down my old porch and built a 10 by 16 greenhouse in its place with no permits simply because the neighbors aren’t going to complain about doing something that makes the place look better. Putting in a dock is supposed to require a whole string of permits but nobody ever gets any.


53 posted on 12/05/2009 6:35:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Around here we have had a few got built and they all look the same.
Some made by KB homes is where the dreggs of society seem t live and then there are others like palencia where is it one of the snottiest nosed areas I have ever seen .

I’ve just built an addition to my house, rearranged the driveway to now fit many cars or a boat and a motor home cars and built a fence.
If I had tried to do that in one of those HOA I would have been told no...

not only that but I could never live with a house that close to mine that I could shake my neighbors hands form the bedroom window.


54 posted on 12/05/2009 6:36:18 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Did you even read what was posted, or just spout off ignorantly, first thing?


55 posted on 12/05/2009 6:38:01 AM PST by Shimmer1 (I'm as Mad as Hell, and I'm Not Gonna Take This Anymore!)
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To: Silly

I’ve been digging, and found the letter from Sen. Webb and an attorney, and here is the crux of it:

“Since it appears that Col. Barfoot’s request was denied based on subjective criteria as opposed to an explicit regulatory violation of the covenants governing the Homeowner’s Association, I would hope that your clients would exercise the discretion afforded to them to develop a reasonable resolution that would allow this distinguished combat veteran to honor our nation in a manner in keeping with the established traditions, customs and regulations governing the display of the flag of the United States of America” (from Senator Webb’s letter to HOA lawyers, found here: http://webb.senate.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2009-12-03-02.cfm)

But this seems a more strenous argument:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf (See page 17)
The Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005 prohibits a
condominium, cooperative, or real estate management association from adopting or
enforcing any policy or agreement that would restrict or prevent a member of the
association from displaying the flag in accordance with the Federal Flag Code on
residential property to which the member has a separate ownership interest.d they both state that:


56 posted on 12/05/2009 6:42:37 AM PST by HGSW0904
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To: Silly

GREAT WORK!!!!!!!

SEND THIS TO FOX NEWS

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE EXPOSED


57 posted on 12/05/2009 6:43:13 AM PST by Mr. K (Deathly afraid my typos become a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: manc
not only that but I could never live with a house that close to mine that I could shake my neighbors hands form the bedroom window.

When we moved, my daughter begged us not to get a place where we could wave to our neighbors from the toilet. LOL

There's a long story about it but we waited a year and a half for a house and our lawyer acted unprofessionally. We lost the house. A little collusion with THEIR lawyer as it went through probate and home prices were rising. Anyway, we rent. An 80 year old farmhouse on 75 acres. The landlord is 2 hours away and we are on our own. I love it.

58 posted on 12/05/2009 6:44:06 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Silly

It does not have to be an immediate neighbor. HOAs are rife with self pretentious meddlesome individules. One or two of these types usually make it a point to drive or walk around just looking for violations.


59 posted on 12/05/2009 6:44:50 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: cripplecreek

It sounds like a good place. There are so few of them.


60 posted on 12/05/2009 6:45:00 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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