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Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin)
Gordon Greene ^ | December 4, 2009 | Gordon Greene

Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene

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To: Natural Law; metmom
"Do you want to include in the discussion the suppression of the Irish by Protestants, the Protestant Inquisition (yes, there was one), the witch trials conducted by Protestants, oppression of Catholics throughout the Nordic countries from the reformation through the 19th century, or more recently the actions of the German Christian (official Nazi Protestant) Church against the catholics who perished in the holocaust? "

Which excuses exactly . . . what?

201 posted on 12/05/2009 3:55:02 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: John Leland 1789

Post #75 - Great stuff. Hey GG. Good job stirring the hornets nest.


202 posted on 12/05/2009 3:56:52 PM PST by rae4palin
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To: Natufian

Again = I have not been trying to argue that the Bible proves the divinity of Jesus.

But you ignore it.

I have been saying that the Bible is true and accurate in its historical record - which spans thousands of years, thousands of individuals, hundreds of cities, dozens of “rulers” or leaders who are mentioned in historical context with great detail along with dates given with great detail.

Thus REASON says such an accurate work of this magnitude and impact demands a verdict of truth on ALL it asserts.

Does this “all” include the deity of Jesus Christ? OF course it does. But it is REASON that says such a judgement is warranted.

And, that is only ONE Reason - but it is a big one,

Don’t be afraid to really investigate

The Bible’s author is not afraid of challenges to the Bible’s accuracy - on ALL its subjects.


203 posted on 12/05/2009 4:00:41 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: metmom
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!"

What dictionary did that come from?

204 posted on 12/05/2009 4:02:14 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: metmom

Of course they do, there are billions of data points that support the Theory of Evolution.

I know that you don’t like the idea of evolution. You find it threatening (unneccesarily as there are millions of Christians who have no problem reconciling science and scripture). But you’ll just have to get used to it because science is only deepening and widening our understanding of the mechanisms that drive evolution. GGG’s idea that HMS Creation is providing a viable alternative is, as he himself would say, just a ‘fanciful...myth’.


205 posted on 12/05/2009 4:02:54 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natural Law; Buck W.; GodGunsGuts; metmom; Fichori; ColdWater; YHAOS; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; ...

“Why don’t you look it up in the dictionary I linked to. It references you right after tattletale.”

Still more admissions? I thought you were done.

You want to tell the mods that Natural Law and Buck W are one in the same or should I? You can play tattletale if you like. I don’t mind.

If any of the rest of you would like to follow these exchanges between Natural Law, Buck W and myself, you will see one of the reasons I posted this article in the first place. There are a lot of you who are decent people and I apologize if I offended those who show respect for the opinions of others. However, people like NL and Buck (same person) make it hard to have honest debate on the subject of Creation and Evolution on this site.

There are some of you who have no issues with the way that Buck has conducted himself. To you, you are no better and deserve the offense given.

God bless.

GG


206 posted on 12/05/2009 4:06:42 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - I have a theory about how Darwin evolved... more soon.)
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To: metmom; Natufian; Natural Law

Right.

And there have been dozens - likely hundreds - of claims by archaeologists of findings that dispute the Biblical historical record....only to be found from later FINDINGS to be totally wrong and the later findings to totally support the Biblical record!!

One instance is the claim that Moses could not possibly have written the first five books of the Old Testament because there was not archeological proof that writing existed in Moses’ day!

This “fact” has now been shown to be totally wrong, that writing did exist in that part of the world - hundreds of years before Moses lived.


207 posted on 12/05/2009 4:06:43 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: metmom; Buck W.; Natural Law

Good stuff. That’s where he gets his scientific information too.


208 posted on 12/05/2009 4:11:06 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - I have a theory about how Darwin evolved... more soon.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I haven’t asked for proof for the divinity of Christ. I have asked for evidence all along. I understand the difference.

What you’ve asserted so far is that the physically verifiable sections of the Bible have been so widely supported by archeological and historical evidence that is is reasonable to assume that the supernatural parts are also equally supportable.

I disagree. I have provided an example of how archeology does not support the bible, which you have ignored. That is one. There are many more.

Many mythological stories around the world can point to physical remains that show that there was a least a grain of truth in it’s original telling but none of them are evidence of the supernatural.


209 posted on 12/05/2009 4:15:54 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

The thing I find threatening is the evos/atheists/liberals/ACLU abusing the judiciary to force their worldview on schoolchildren across this country and the trampling of the Constitution in the process.

The ToE does not threaten me personally, or my faith.

Those who wish to exclude God and find a God free explanation for the world and how it got here have done so. But misinterpreting the data and extrapolating from the rest, is a pretty poor foundation to build on.


210 posted on 12/05/2009 4:22:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natufian; Freedom'sWorthIt
What you’ve asserted so far is that the physically verifiable sections of the Bible have been so widely supported by archeological and historical evidence that is is reasonable to assume that the supernatural parts are also equally supportable.

Are you criticizing that? Because that's exactly what evolutionists do.

They see variation within species and assert that speciation is equally supportable.

211 posted on 12/05/2009 4:26:12 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

On a general level: Good. That’s how science works. New evidence can lead to new hypotheses and explanations. Something that is probably alien to you.

On a very specific level, you’ll need to back that about the writing up. Science has known that writing has existed for thousands of years before Moses’ time for decades.

Also, those discoveries don’t always lead to archeological support for the Bible as you claim. Much modern research has shown that the cities and cultures described in the Bible as being active in Moses’s time are more accurately a picture of events duirng the 8th or 7th C BC leading to speculation that that was the period when those sections of the Bible were written.

Beyond all that, to date, all the investigations across all the years have produced no evidence for divivity or the supernatural


212 posted on 12/05/2009 4:29:14 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Gordon Greene
"You want to tell the mods that Natural Law and Buck W are one in the same or should I?"

Go for it. You don't seem to have a problem with making a fool out of yourself.

213 posted on 12/05/2009 4:29:16 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: metmom

Biologists assert that speciation is supportable because they have observed it happening.

Can you spot the difference yet?


214 posted on 12/05/2009 4:32:23 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: ColdWater
That historian was just guessing about George Washington and that historian has an agenda no doubt. Here are the words of Washington's own granddaughter:

'I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, "that they may be seen of men" ' - Nelly Custis-Lewis, granddaughter of George Washington

Your knock against our greatest president is empty and hollow. We are a nation with many founding fathers that had a strong faith in Jesus Christ. Deal with it.
215 posted on 12/05/2009 4:32:53 PM PST by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: metmom

“Show us anything positive that any God free form of government brought to the table and I’ll raise it with a Constitution of the United States and Declaration of Independence that Christianity brought.”

Again....you “creation science” types throw this tireless tantrum when anyone disagrees with you.......Non-theocracies do not equate to God-free - no more than theocracies are Godly.

Evolution is not un-Christian....just as it is that the wild-eyed “creation science” folks on this thread are not necessarily Christian in their actions.


216 posted on 12/05/2009 4:34:26 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: metmom

I don’t recall any cases of science teachers using the courts to gain access to religion classes. Can you point in the direction of any?


217 posted on 12/05/2009 4:35:16 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: metmom

“Now we can get into it with the atheistic regimes of the 20th century if you want to talk about less freedom and more death.”

Yes, if anyone disgrees with you - they are Godless commies.


218 posted on 12/05/2009 4:35:38 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Natural Law

“Go for it. You don’t seem to have a problem with making a fool out of yourself.”

Not worth the effort. Different IP’s in the same residence aren’t hard to accomplish. I’m satisfied to avoid responding to your childish posts in the future.

In the meantime, I’ll pray for you that God will deliver you from your duplicitous nature (I got that from the Suburban Dictionary... actually it was in the owners manual in the glove box).

God bless and good night.

GG


219 posted on 12/05/2009 4:36:36 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - I have a theory about how Darwin evolved... more soon.)
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To: metmom

“Tell me were the most freedom of thought, research, and technological progress has been made.”

Let me guess......you think it was the “Institute for Creation Research”?


220 posted on 12/05/2009 4:37:07 PM PST by RFEngineer
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