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Airline Misunderstanding or Another Dry Run?
joytiz.com ^ | 12/3/09 | Joy Tiz

Posted on 12/03/2009 8:38:00 AM PST by jazminerose

Read in the context of Doug Hagmann’s explanation of al battar, is this a simple misunderstanding or something more sinister?

From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating what led to the two-and-a-half hour delay of a Tuesday flight from Atlanta to Houston, an agency spokeswoman said Wednesday morning.

An AirTran spokesman said a man traveling with a group Tuesday afternoon refused to turn his cell phone off before takeoff. But the woman sitting behind the man said it wasn’t a phone at all, and feels the entire incident was the result of poor communication.

“He was not talking on a cell phone, it was a camera,’ said Nancy Deveikis of Marietta. ‘He was looking at pictures.’

A flight attendant asked the man twice to turn off the device, Deveikis said. But it was clear the man did not speak English, she said. Although the man was traveling with others, the rest of the group was seated throughout the plane.

When the man did not respond to the flight attendant, she took the camera from him, Deveikis said. Deveikis, who presented ajc.com with her boarding pass for the flight, said she watched the exchange from directly behind the man in seat 28A and the female flight attendant.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: airtran; airtranflight297; albattar; terrorist
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1 posted on 12/03/2009 8:38:02 AM PST by jazminerose
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To: jazminerose

Try these links

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399187/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2399326/posts


2 posted on 12/03/2009 8:42:11 AM PST by Dacula (Evil succeeds when good men do nothing. Lets do something.)
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To: jazminerose

Media lies. There was a first hand account of a passenger who took matters into his own hands.

These guys were testing the system. Another friendly group of 12 Syrian “musicians” yelling at the stewardesses calling them infidel dogs and staging an action to see the response.


3 posted on 12/03/2009 8:43:50 AM PST by romanesq
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To: jazminerose

Witness on radio now. Steve Gill Show.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399016/posts

Link to my thread last night.


4 posted on 12/03/2009 8:44:16 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: jazminerose

“One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.

This was NOT what happened.

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now….they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me….I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied)

The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him.

I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston . The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

Again…..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston .

If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.

I’m telling this to you because I want you to know….

The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes….”

http://www.wvtea.org/forum/topics/flight-297-atlanta-to-houston?page=1&commentId=3087600%3AComment%3A20590&x=1#3087600Comment20590


5 posted on 12/03/2009 8:45:28 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (America, 1776 - 2009. R.I.P.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Some “misunderstanding”.


6 posted on 12/03/2009 8:49:12 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Uncle Miltie

bttt


7 posted on 12/03/2009 8:50:10 AM PST by Rightly Biased (If Clinton was the first black president then Obama is the first black Jesus.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Holy crap.


8 posted on 12/03/2009 8:51:10 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (Take back the GOP-RNC. Apply RINO-B-GONE as needed.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Thanks for posting that Uncle Miltie!

Makes me proud to be a Texan.


9 posted on 12/03/2009 8:51:49 AM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: Landru

Ping: The usual suspects, Obama’s bretheren.


10 posted on 12/03/2009 8:54:06 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (Take back the GOP-RNC. Apply RINO-B-GONE as needed.)
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To: TheConservativeParty

I suspect this was a “dry run” but it could have been a group of TSA actors checking security.


11 posted on 12/03/2009 8:58:34 AM PST by WellyP
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To: jazminerose

I would have taken the camera and stomped on it. Moron’s like this causing delay for everyone else as usual.


12 posted on 12/03/2009 9:04:01 AM PST by angcat ("GO YANKEES")
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To: Uncle Miltie
Uncle Miltie apparently you did not get the memo.

I seems that we are not to believe our lying eyes, but to put full faith and confidence in the orders of those whom the whimsical gods have somehow placed above us through the democratic process.

These worthy oriental gentlemen were no more terrorists than the mis-guided and depressed Dr. Hassan of Ft. Hood. The only thing they had in common was that all are members of the Religion of Peace.

Thank you for your service to our country.

13 posted on 12/03/2009 9:05:19 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Eligibility: I ain't lookin' for answers. Just 1 elected Republican to ask the question.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Who wrote that-General Casey?


14 posted on 12/03/2009 9:08:35 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Uncle Miltie

I’m a bit confused - Did the Atlanta to Houston flight make a stop in Ohio, or did similar incidents happen on two different flights?


15 posted on 12/03/2009 9:13:44 AM PST by jersey117
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To: jersey117

I’m sorry, but I don’t believe this account. The AJC version seems more likely.


16 posted on 12/03/2009 9:22:53 AM PST by stormer
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To: Dr. Ursus
Dear Bear-Doctor,

Your insouciant penchant for sarcasm will do you little good in the Politcal Correctness Correction Camps. For your own good, move along. There is nothing to see here.

11 Syrians in native garb behaving badly ... together ... and attempting to seize or whatever an American airliner is certainly no cause for alarm.

17 posted on 12/03/2009 9:23:05 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Eligibility: I ain't lookin' for answers. Just 1 elected Republican to ask the question.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

PC Kills


18 posted on 12/03/2009 9:30:42 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Uncle Miltie

BTTT!!


19 posted on 12/03/2009 9:32:17 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: stormer
The AJC report makes no report or reference as to what the passengers saw on-board that caused them to leave the jet.

All it does is report on the initial incident (cellphone talking and that is undisputed) and returning to the terminal where passengers left the jet.

For a large number of passengers to depart the jet means something significant happened and the AJC doe not address that—not trying to anger muslimes, apparently.

20 posted on 12/03/2009 9:38:17 AM PST by Hulka
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