Posted on 11/24/2009 9:55:42 AM PST by STARWISE
It is a popular topic of discussion in political circles these days, and as the weeks pass more and more people are asking, “Is Barack Obama really a natural born citizen of the United States?
Is he eligible to serve as President, or isn’t he?”
If he is, then so be it. We’ll just have to grit our teeth until this long dark nightmare comes to an end… one way or another.
But what if he is not eligible? What then? Well, in that case we have a problem… a very large problem, the solution to which could tear asunder the fabric of American society.
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that, “No person except a natural born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”
That’s pretty straightforward, yet, when confronted with the possibility that the man who sits in the Oval Office may be a usurper, a great many otherwise patriotic Americans can be heard to say, “What difference does it make? The election’s over; the people have spoken. Get over it!”
Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous.
Every new law and every executive order he had signed, every political appointment, every judicial appointment, every order he had given to the military, and every act and every decision of all of his appointees would immediately become null and void. How could we ever undo all of that?
*snip*
So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981.
What is not established, and what is critically important, is what passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities:
Obama could have traveled under a U.S. passport… a passport first issued when he and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with a British passport.
So which is it?
Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list, making a U.S. passport no more valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry.
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
. A: Yes, by his own admission.
. Q: What passport did he travel under?
. A: There are only three possibilities.
. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport,
. 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.
. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?
. A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he?
It seems pretty clear from the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess he leaves behind.
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Interesting. Ping me to it ... ;)
Bingo.
If the popularity of the imposter falls even lower than it is now, for example, will it be more likelty that some judges will be willing to apply the law?
In 1981 Pakistan was under martial law.
The U.S. State Department issued a travel advisory because it would be dangerous for Americans to travel there. Not a “NO TRAVEL” restriction.
That is according to your post, and I assume you went to some site somewhere and checked that out, and I take your word for that.
That would be the U.S. government’s side of things: issuing a “travel advisory” that travel to Pakistan is a dangerous move.
But is it possible that the Pakistani Immigrations side was in fact not allowing entry to American Passport holders.
The statement first made is:
” . . . certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and Americans… were prohibited from entering the country.”
“were prohibited” by Pakistan, not by the USA, from entering Pakistan.
Is that still a possibility?
Or, if any nation is prohibiting entry, does the US State Department issue a “NO TRAVEL” restriction? If so, would the Indonesian exit authorities pull all American Passport holders out of line or off of flights?
I don’t want to discount the entire article. I would like to have cleared up the following:
Regardless of the US State Dept. advisory level, was Pakistan itself at that time prohibiting people arriving from Indonesia (or any countries) and carrying US Passports from entering Packistan? Or was Pakistan allowing US Passport holders to enter?
The US State Department can order airlines not to issue boarding passes to “No Travel” countries if flights are originating from the USA. But US State cannot order Indonesian airlines or airports to do the same when flights are leaving Jakarta.
Because Obama was leaving Jakarta, not the USA, the US State Department’s side of things is only secondary to the question-—Was Pakistan itself allowing or NOT allowing entry (from anywhere) to people carrying US Passports.
If NOT, then the writer’s general points are still valid. Obama would have required a passport from another country (or a “camouflauge” passport supposing to look like a Macedonian one mailed from Las Vegas along with an International driver license, all for about $100 — /sarc).
If Pakistan WAS allowing entry to US Passport holders, then the writer must get further proof on the passport thing.
Having read gazillions of threads since early last summer, all about 0bot and his elibility or lack thereof (as have many other freepers), this seems to be the fact on Paki travel:
It was not easy to get a Paki visa to enter the country at that time due to its being under martial law and some degree of turmoil. IIRC, the US State department had travel to Paki under some kind of advisory, definitely not a ban. The Paki gov’t itself was wary about Americans visiting there.
So, if the above is correct (again, IIRC, and if anyone knows more/better, I hope they post on this thread), 0bot might have had a tad of difficulty getting into Paki if he used a US passport, but certainly not impossible. I remember one member here who either went there himself or his brother (?) did at that time (wish I could remember more, and who it was), and he did have to jump some hurdles and I think do some waiting. Americans weren’t at that time just waved on through.
Of course, 0bot was going as a guest of Pakis who were big guys and also IIRC, good little Muslim pro-jihadi types, so even if he did use a US passport it might have been less troublesome than otherwise. Also, his mother worked there at some point - IIRC around that same time frame, and lived for longish time periods in the country. Doing “who knows what”.
If 0bot had an Indo or Brit/Kenyan whatever passport, no prob getting into Paki at all.
I hope someone who knows more fixes any mistakes or misconceptions in my comments.
Hey, hennie - why are you so negative? Are you a Mrs. Nostradamus or prophetess that you can see the future in all respects?
No?
Then why the derision/negativity? Trying to get people depressed and hopeless?
Nothing is hopeless. In fact I totally disagree with you and think his ineligibilty is gaining momentum, more and more.
This may be a small issue (to some) compared to his evil and destructively ruinous agenda, but it is part of the reason why he has to be evicted. The sooner the better. Could even be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I am really sick and tired of all the Negative Nellies on this topic. You CAN’T see the future, so you DON’T know what will happen.
You may have an opinion or wishes, but you are not God. And only He can see the exact future, no one else can.
If Pakistan was not admitting Americans under U.S. passports then the State Department would have advised U.S. citizens of this salient fact; they did not.
Your idea that this one untruth can be surgically excised and the rest of what the author says taken as absolutely true is naive at best. If someone is repeating a lie that is easily checked, what makes you think the rest of their “scholarship” was any more rigorous?
Note my comment above to STARWISE and allmendream. Unfortunately I don’t have links, just have some digested stuff from reading for many hundreds and hundreds of hours... I hope someone who does know more factually will comment.
What’s worse; people mistakenly claiming there was a travel ban when there wasn’t; or 0bot being not eligible (possible or likely)?
Which one, in your opinion, is more important and potentially dangerous?
No matter how important the agenda, lies told in furtherance of that agenda are not a credible tactic.
Are you taking the stance that 0bama’s eligibility is such an important issue that it is OK to lie in furthering the cause?
For myself I have consistently maintained that I think such a shoddy regard for the truth is DETRIMENTAL to the cause.
So if you feel the cause is important, and you agree that lies are helping to discredit the cause; why are you not joining me in condemning this lie?
A “travel Advisory” or Travel Warning indicates pretty much the same thing as a travel ban it just means that Americans are travelling at their “own risk”. You are splitting hairs here. But on this subject you usually do. CO
What was I doing? I was checking on that point first. I didn’t want to discount the rest UNTIL I had clarification on that point.
But I’ll tell you this. The man is absolutely NOT qualified simply because of his ideology. He is a communist in his very mind set. If there were 10 thousand photos of him being birthed in Hawaii, and 500 more for each day of his life up to this week, he is a communist. His mind is bent and snapped in that direction.
I do NOT favor ANY lies being told about his status at birth. Obama himself is covering something up, however.
No secretary of state of the several states should allow his name on another ballot until the state of Hawaii fully opens his record.
If it were a Hawaii state office being discussed, that’s Hawaii’s business. But when a man is running for any federal office, that’s the business of the entire nation, . . .
. . . and the US Supreme Court should tell Hawaii it has no right to conceal this information from the secretaries of the several states or from the electors thereof.
You argue dirty.
I am totally opposed to misstatments, non-factual statements, mistakes, and of course, outright lies.
Obviously. The truth should be found, and any factcheck org or com that lies about 0bot on other points is not reliable either.
So, hopefully people who have the time and intelligence can find out the exact specific reality of what was happening vis a vis Americans travelling to Paki at that time.
Meanwhile, 0bot has not shown anything of his documentation, especially any passports he has used throughout his life.
Your slippery refusal to answer my question, and your pretense that I like lies, reveal everything I need to know about you.
Fell apart right off the bat. Pakistan was not and never has been on any 'no travel' list issued by the State Department.
I believe he's also claimed that the Secret Service and the CIA have visited him. So will the three agencies have a fist fight on the sidewalk over who gets to arrest him?
the more this story goes on,the worse it’ll get.and the President could havetoppedit alll with afew simple pieces of paper
the more this story goes on,the worse it’ll get.and the President could havetoppedit alll with afew simple pieces of paper
the more this story goes on,the worse it’ll get.and the President could havetoppedit alll with afew simple pieces of paper
Actually according to the State Department advisory, 30 day tourist visas were available at the Pakistani airports upon landing.
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