Well Is He, or Isn’t He?

Family security Matters ^ | 3-9-09 | Paul Hollrah

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It is a popular topic of discussion in political circles these days, and as the weeks pass more and more people are asking, “Is Barack Obama really a natural born citizen of the United States?

Is he eligible to serve as President, or isn’t he?”

If he is, then so be it. We’ll just have to grit our teeth until this long dark nightmare comes to an end… one way or another.

But what if he is not eligible? What then? Well, in that case we have a problem… a very large problem, the solution to which could tear asunder the fabric of American society.

Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that, “No person except a natural born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

That’s pretty straightforward, yet, when confronted with the possibility that the man who sits in the Oval Office may be a usurper, a great many otherwise patriotic Americans can be heard to say, “What difference does it make? The election’s over; the people have spoken. Get over it!”

Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous.

Every new law and every executive order he had signed, every political appointment, every judicial appointment, every order he had given to the military, and every act and every decision of all of his appointees would immediately become null and void. How could we ever undo all of that?

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So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981.

What is not established, and what is critically important, is what passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities:

Obama could have traveled under a U.S. passport… a passport first issued when he and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with a British passport.

So which is it?

Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list, making a U.S. passport no more valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry.

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

. A: Yes, by his own admission.

. Q: What passport did he travel under?

. A: There are only three possibilities.

. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport,

. 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.

. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?

. A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he?

It seems pretty clear from the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess he leaves behind.

[hennie pennie]

Thank you, Non-Sequitur!

How about North Korea? Although I don't think THEY'd ever permit us in, would it be illegal for us as U.S. citizens to visit North Korea, without having special okays from the U.S. government??

I mean... people travel to Iran frequently, but I never hear about anyone other than Franklin Graham and his charitable organization travelling to North Korea.

[browardchad]

Now there are exceptions to that, and I don't think the government has prosecuted anyone under the law in recent memory. But it's still there on the books.

One of those exceptions is for "educational conferences," which Bill Ayers and his wife have taken advantage of on numerous occasions, the most recent being last year, IIRC.

[browardchad]

How about North Korea? Although I don't think THEY'd ever permit us in, would it be illegal for us as U.S. citizens to visit North Korea, without having special okays from the U.S. government??

A few are permitted, through certain approved agents, and under the strict supervision and censorship of the N. Korean government.

If you have some time to spare, you might want to check out "The Vice Guide to North Korea," videos by some audacious adventurers/cinematographers who managed to circumvent some of the rules. It's a fairly bleak, but at the same time humorous and eye-opening picture of that sorry country.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

How about North Korea? Although I don't think THEY'd ever permit us in, would it be illegal for us as U.S. citizens to visit North Korea, without having special okays from the U.S. government??

You are correct. As far as the US government cares, go ahead and book your next fun-filled vacation in North Korea. The Koreans won't let you in, but the US doesn't care one way or the other.

[Brown Deer]

"A phony birth certificate can be purchased in Los Angeles for as little as $3, and a complete phony identity can be packaged for around $300.

A false passport, using the identity of a dead person or a friend, is equally easy to acquire." --- Jack Anderson, Washington, June 20, 1981

[Brown Deer]

On July 5, 1977, the Pakistani Chief of Army Staff, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, imposed Martial Law and the elections were postponed. In 1979, General Zia-ul-Haq declared political parties to be defunct and certain political leaders were disqualified. A provisional Constitution was enforced on March 23, 1981, as the Constitution of 1973 had been suspended with the imposition of Martial Law. Finally, after the nomination of Muhammad Khan Junejo as Prime Minister of Pakistan on March 20, 1985, Junejo fulfilled his promise of lifting the Martial Law.


General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq

[El Sordo]

What’s the street price for getting the Hawaiian state government to issue a press release stating you were born there?

[Brown Deer]

What I found interesting, is that the 1981 article referenced the L.A. street prices. That is when Obama left L.A. and moved on to NYC. During the time that he was in L.A., is the same time frame that the people in Connecticut who match up with some SSN's that Obama has used, died.

Obama arrives in NYC and is living in an apartment that is walking distance from the apartment of Billy Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. He would have to go out of his way to avoid walking by their place on his way to classes at Columbia. During this same time frame, Bernardine Dohrn was in the business of stealing people's identities and selling phony IDs (as well as planning the million dollar Brink's robbery where they killed three police officers).

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

[El Sordo]

“So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?”

No idea. Maybe his travel companion was wealthy. Maybe he had cut-rate accommodations on a tramp steamer.

But that’s all immaterial to the question.

As a side note, I am not entirely convinced that he actually went to Pakistan in 1981 as he claims.

As I understand it, the trip is not mentioned in either of his books. The first news of it was in 2008, I think. At the time he was trying desperately to cultivate some kind of veneer of foreign policy experience.

I’d lay even money on the possibility that he just made the whole thing up.