Posted on 11/23/2009 6:09:25 AM PST by jbjd
See your post # 42 to me!!!
Sometimes, the way this blog is set up,confuses me.
You say the only option left to address what you perceive are the wrongs in this country is to foment revolution. I disagree, for several reasons. First of all, given the total number of Americans who voted in the past election, it makes no sense for any of us to claim a ‘mandate’ in any one view. Millions of your fellow Americans disagree with your take on things. Would you have us understand your comments to mean, their views are less deserving of respect than yours? Assuming all views are valid, espousing revolution undermines your claims you are fighting as a patriotic American! You fervently believe, you are ‘right.’ Then, persuade those others of the soundness of your views. With reason and intellect, but not hyperbole and Divine inspiration. Surely, weighing the risk to the Republic of words over rebellion, you can concede to the position, talking merits more time and effort. As I see it, asserting might equals right under the present circumstances is un-American.
So the whole lot of them are in on this.
Through history pacifism and talks never get you anywhere, think about what results Chamberlain's talk with Hitler got him. Hitler's, Mussolini's, Franco's, Stalin's "people" also had "other" views or opinions and where did that get us. Good luck with all the talks!
I am NOT preaching it, but I said that I agree with what Pastor Manning is saying about a revolution, like I agreed with George Washington!!
Now, when the other two government branches, the whole media, right and left have been effectively neutered to silence, you are just getting what you are asking for together with the other people you mentioned, and it is called TYRANNY, pure and simple. Just like these four fellows in Europe crammed down the throat of their "people," and not to forget the Japs, and now Venezuela!!!
Your post #27 - is just so SPOT ON!! It is NOT going to end nicely but it will come to an end. The sooner, actually, the better. There may be something left to save. CO
Great point. Thanks for filling me in on that one. I just expected I guess, that these proper certifications would have been done at the proper time. BEFORE he got on the ballots. CO
#64 - That has basically been my position on this matter all along. All the talking in the world is going to get nowhere now that is abundantly clear. It will take ACTION unfortunately. It’s what it took eventually in Europe, it’s what it took in 1776. The Corruption is deep and wide and I dare say it even involves some “outside of the country” forces as well. Watch for the United Nothings to become a very powerful vehicle being used by Mr. Obama or whoever the hell he is. Treaty after treaty after treaty. Time to stop all the pontificating - organize and mobilize. The consequences of not doing it are pretty devestating. CO
Your line of thinking should have governed many of the earlier lawsuits. If it had, we would not be in this loathsome position in 2009.
Stop with the hyperbole. Multiple question marks do not indicate the soundness of your approach, or the folly of others for their disagreement. You attempt to ridicule my comments by positing that I could consider George Washington un-American (presumably, for agreeing to lead the Continental Army against the British, once the Colonists had declared their independence from England. Without writing an historical dissertation on the subject, let me just point out that the Colonists engaged in just the sort of conduct I espouse, but not you. That is, for several decades before the American Revolution, colonists had entreated the Crown to amend their conduct. And colonists, restricted by the lack of any electronic means, managed to create avenues of communication with others, to discuss and debate how to proceed. (Few would argue that Tom Paine’s “Common Sense” pamphlets in large part coalesced support for the ideas that led to the American Revolution.) What I am saying is that, espousing a revolution absent the extensive efforts at change characterized by the conduct of those patriots who fomented the American Revolution, with the support of the majority of their fellow colonists; would make it appear that, your objection to the status quo is directed more to the person who won the election than to a bona fide belief he has somehow usurped the will of the people.
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Far be it for me to alter these words in any way except to say that the day is today, the States are fifty, and the time is now. These words stand as a testament to our American Spirit. They mean just as much today as they did when they were written.
You betchya those words mean the same today as in the day they were first written. CO
Thank you, MestaMachine for reminding us of the importance of these words.
Happy Thanksgiving.
These words are worth repeating BECAUSE ALL ELSE HAS FAILED!
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Happy Thanksgiving, azishot. I hope you and your family have a beautiful and blessed day. Love one another. Say a prayer for this country and our Troops. We, and they, need the Lord as never before.
Why would Cheney sign off on it?
I don't know; perhaps David can answer your question.
Based on your belief expressed in all caps that “ALL ELSE HAS FAILED!” you advocate abolishing the Constitutional Republic, by force, taking as your inspiration the Founders, who fought a war to abandon the Monarchy in order to form the Constitutional Republic. (Or did you mean to say, based on YOUR belief that the lawfully elected representatives of the people have failed to live up to YOUR expectations, you propose to force them out of office and replace them with lawmakers of YOUR choosing?)
Are you saying that Cheney *didn’t know* about the other State Certification form listing BO as eligible under the Constitution?
I’ve seen both of those forms here, on FR, and can’t honestly remember if there was a conclusion as to why there were two forms in the first place.
Do you know if these forms are included in any of the cases brought against BO?
I have no idea. But there were a number of people on both sides of the isle who know that he is not eligible who had to participate and need to continue to participate.
What do you mean by that?
I didn't try to ridicule you, but your "nice" wordings seems you are doing exact that to me!
Your post sounds like the guys in the UN, talking and talking that leads to nowhere!!
I have come to think it is very naive to rely on any measure to get rid of the usurper by our scared (corrupt ?) judicial system and is a total waste of energy which has been proven from multiple cases thrown out of court the last year!!!
There are movements brewing all over the country, Tea Parties (?) in protest and when you don't have bread and butter on the table for your kids, something drastic is going to happen, whether you like it or not. In my State the "official" unemployment is now 11.2% and the unemployment cash coffer is EMPTY.
What do you think will happens when the unemployment rate reach 25-30%, which I believe it is heading toward?
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