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To: euram

I am a big fan of Sarah but she is wrong on what God intended. What God intended is found in Genesis. And what he created is perfect. God did not intend for man to eat animals because to eat animals you have to kill them and God did not intend for any to die.

Death is a result of sin. God did allow meat to be eaten only after the Flood. All the vegetation had died. In Eden, God gave man his diet......fruits, grains, veggies, nuts,.

Yes, after the fall of man, after Sin, God tolerated and allowed man to eat “clean” meats. But don’t ever say God “intended” for us to eat dead animals.

That is like saying God intended for man to sin and death to happen. Sin and the fall of man changed what God “intended” and even then God can turn that to his glory......the cross is his greatest glory.

Sarah needs a bible study and we won’t even get on the healthy reasons NOT to eat meat of any kind. Look at the Seventh day Adventists.......the healthiest people in the world.....practically......Protestants, Sabbath keeping and healthy.......u can’t beat em and they make the best doctors.....Sarah.....come on now....u can do better than that......READ YOUR BIBLE and start with Genesis......


9 posted on 11/15/2009 8:13:02 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts
because to eat animals you have to kill them and God did not intend for any to die

If this is true, then why does he have some animals kill and eat other animals? Seems like a flaw in God's plan...

12 posted on 11/15/2009 8:17:21 AM PST by fhayek (Yes, of course its sarcasm)
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To: JNRoberts

[Sarah needs a bible study ]

And you need to get a life.


14 posted on 11/15/2009 8:17:51 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: JNRoberts
Appears we have another & relatively new liberal troll....

JNRoberts - Since Nov 5, 2008

20 posted on 11/15/2009 8:21:32 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: JNRoberts

Then could you explain why God commanded that burnt offerings be of lambs, goats, cattle, and turtledoves? (If He intended no animals to be killed)


23 posted on 11/15/2009 8:27:14 AM PST by jla
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To: JNRoberts

LOL - keep floggin away on the talking points, it’s fun to read. Especially that scolding, finger-shaking “read your Bible, Sarah” stuff. Is that from Rahm, or Carville?


24 posted on 11/15/2009 8:27:34 AM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: JNRoberts

While I’ll agree with you on the fact that we were originally created to eat plants and then were given meat as a concession, I’m not so sure we can say absolutely that animal death did not precede the Fall.

Theologians from Augustine on have wondered about this...and it seems pretty obvious that the anatomy of some animals (e.g. carnivores) was expressly designed for the destruction of other animals. Teeth, claws, all that business.

Augustine was among those who concluded that animal death could well have preceded the Fall.


30 posted on 11/15/2009 8:34:20 AM PST by Claud
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To: JNRoberts

You’re Biblically correct, of course, but are being far too severe. We are given dominion, stewardship really, over this world and all that is in it. That is not to go to the other extreme, to torment or kill the lesser creatures for amusement or sport. The righteous man regardeth the life of his beast. We are to be merciful. We are to be kind. Humane treatment of animals grown for food is demanded of us. It’s, to me, sinful to go hunting and waste the body of any animal taken in the hunt. Honor the life taken in order to give you life, and make use of it. Never go to excess. Moderation in all things, including the eating of meat.

That’s the healthiest view of our God-given permission to eat meat, regardless of what necessitated it, or what went before. If you want to be vegetarian, or even need to be for health reasons, I’m not going to mock the choice. But, I will denounce the radicals who want to force us all to eat nothing but legumes, grain and the occasional fruit or vegetable. That’s not healthy. It’s controlling, by mostly un-Godly people, who seek to destroy our society, through ridiculous, all-pervasive regulations.

It doesn’t help that animals are being treated so poorly under modern “factory” methods. I’ve got a few Greek Orthodox friends, who insist that the fear those animals experienced and the hormones released, affect the meat itself and those who consume it. They own a restaurant, and have always refused to buy it. Odd as it sounds, I agree with them. But, I’m not vegetarian. I could be, if need be, but there is no need at present.

To take the position that we should all go back to an antedilivian diet flies in the face of physical reality post-flood. Try putting your dogs or cats, if you have them, on a vegetarian diet and see how well they fare. They won’t fare well, and neither do most people on such a diet. A great deal of effort and care goes into making sure sufficient vitamins, minerals and amino acids are consumed, in the absence of meat in the diet, which has these in abundance.


31 posted on 11/15/2009 8:36:17 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: JNRoberts
The only difference between us and vegetarians is we eat higher on the IQ scale. When a vegan eats wheat he's eating life - just really stupid life. When we eat chicken, we're eating slightly smarter life.

Vegetarians talk about their food, doctors, and body functions - - boooorrrring...

33 posted on 11/15/2009 8:36:50 AM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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To: JNRoberts

Bullshit


36 posted on 11/15/2009 8:46:25 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: JNRoberts

What about Jesus feeding the people fish, seems to me fish is meat, and the fish had to be killed.


37 posted on 11/15/2009 8:47:50 AM PST by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: JNRoberts

It’s a f***ing joke, oh ye who is more righteous than the rest of us sinners.


38 posted on 11/15/2009 8:48:19 AM PST by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else!)
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To: JNRoberts

> God did not intend for any to die..God did allow meat to be eaten only after the Flood

C’mon, what Bible are you getting that theology from? Yes, in Eden, it was paradise, but after the fall, Cain and Abel were offering grain and flesh sacrifices, respectively, starting at generation #2. Abel’s sacrifice was unacceptable to God not because it was flesh, but because Abel held back the best animals for himself. So your point about post-flood eating of flesh is quite erroneous.


41 posted on 11/15/2009 8:49:46 AM PST by XEHRpa
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To: JNRoberts

It has always struck me as funny that God would change His mind about what man can eat. He’s God; why didn’t He just make some new plants? I mean, if He can part the Red Sea, He could cause peach trees to spring up out of nowhere, laden with fruit.


43 posted on 11/15/2009 8:52:02 AM PST by giotto
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To: JNRoberts

That cinches it, I’m having steak tonite.

Pray for America’s Freedom


45 posted on 11/15/2009 8:53:22 AM PST by bray (America Gu Bra)
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To: JNRoberts
Yes, after the fall of man, after Sin, God tolerated and allowed man to eat “clean” meats. But don’t ever say God “intended” for us to eat dead animals.

And yet God rejected Cain's offering of produce, but instead favored Abel's sacrificial lamb. Sounds like God likes meat too.

60 posted on 11/15/2009 9:30:52 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: JNRoberts

Go eat a Bible Bar.


69 posted on 11/15/2009 10:20:49 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: JNRoberts

Man was slaying and eating animals right after The Original Sin. Adam and Eve were clothed in skins per the Lord, and Abel offered an animal sacrifice to the Lord. Way before the Flood. It is you who needs the Bible study.


70 posted on 11/15/2009 10:23:56 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: JNRoberts

It was a joke,,,, lighten up. And you are right. God’s intentions for us involved perfection in the Garden. But He also knew we would fall, and made provision for that.


80 posted on 11/15/2009 3:06:43 PM PST by joelt
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To: JNRoberts
READ YOUR BIBLE and start with Genesis......

In the beginning, man ate green plants. After the fall, man ate the flesh of animals.

When God walked among us as Jesus, He ate the pass over meal which included lamb. This means God ate meat. I don't think He has any problem with us doing so, as well.

84 posted on 11/15/2009 3:15:52 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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