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The Loss of the 23rd - We Made Our Point
From Sea To Shining Sea ^ | 11/4/09 | Purple Mountains

Posted on 11/04/2009 5:57:31 AM PST by PurpleMountains

There is a fight going on for the soul of the Republican Party, and the Tea Party protestors are its face. We are not going to be swayed by pleas not to rock tthe boat. We are not going to stop until the Republican leadership embraces candidates who will fight for smaller government, less regulation and a balanced budget. As I said in an earlier post, we may lose some battles, but we are out to win the war.

Our tent is big enough to accomodate those with different social views, but when a competent conservative is running in a primary against a RINO, the RNC better not support the RINO. I reached this level of outrage when the RNC supported a liberal, Chafee, who voted with Democrats most of the time, against a successful conservative mayor in the Rhode Island primary.

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To: MichiganConservative

“What you have to do to change the party leadership is go get involved in your local GOP. Stick around for a while and find like-minded real conservatives. Take the party back to take the country back.”

This is so true. It takes some time to figure out that a lot of the county and state leaders are just talk-talk conservatives. When it comes to selecting candidates, the always rationalize the RINO.

It also takes some backbone; because you have to lead a little revolt against people who have been running things for 25 years. You don’t make many friends that way.


21 posted on 11/04/2009 6:26:58 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Daveinyork
One thing this race showed is how the Demopublicans will unite in a solid front against third parties.

Exactly!

22 posted on 11/04/2009 6:27:28 AM PST by jnsun
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To: presently no screen name

now we need to purge the NY 23 local GOP.

the woman who pushed for scuzzyfazza should be forced to resign or forced out.


23 posted on 11/04/2009 6:30:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: WillVoteForFood

Steele should resign IMMEDIATLY.

This is the RUSH story.

This is the Beck story.

The MSM will not cover this fact of life. Instead they are doing nothing but reading talking points.


24 posted on 11/04/2009 6:32:55 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Big Horn

Don’t think so. I wish Doug hadn’t conceded so early and waited for the last vote to be counted. The Hoffman campaign reported on Monday - lots of ‘unknown’ characters were coming into the area and they wanted volunteers. Just feel something is not right.


25 posted on 11/04/2009 6:36:43 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: jnsun

this was NOT about third parties.

This was action AGAINST NON INSIDERS.

country club for the country club.

Hoffman will be a money raiser and the RNC will want to use him to raise money for other candidates.


26 posted on 11/04/2009 6:37:37 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Absolutely. They cannot just let it be!


27 posted on 11/04/2009 6:38:31 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Mr. K

Scozzafava actually did us a huge favor by showing her true colors and that RINOs are really stealth Rats and cannot be trusted.


28 posted on 11/04/2009 6:39:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: PurpleMountains

our point is not made until the NY23 GOP leadership is purged.

What is their names?

who was scuzzy’s supporter?


29 posted on 11/04/2009 6:45:45 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: tioga
No, Hoffman lived outside the district. Perhaps voters resented that. Who knows.

Bill Sammon told Bill Hemmer that the residents also resented that Hoffman was running on a "national" theme instead of focusing on local issues.
30 posted on 11/04/2009 6:51:06 AM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Recon Dad

“Did Doug Hoffman live in the 23 District?”

He does not. He used to but was taken out with redistricting about 8 years ago.

I’m torn over this whole thing. I’m in NY-29 that lost its R congressman last year after he voted for TARP and that awful farm bill. Of course that seems like nothing compared to what we got in his place, a liberal D who votes with Pelosi and has publicly stated he will vote for the public option even though his constituents don’t want government run health care. And this is the most conservative district in NY.

While I agree that the Republican party needs to return to first principles, I think many may be underestimating the need for political coalitions, like Reagan clearly recognized the need for. The short term alternative is that we end up with reps that don’t represent us at all and one more log on the fire for Pelosi and her liberal agenda.


31 posted on 11/04/2009 6:55:56 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: Miss Didi

it is still a win for conservatism as we knocked off the out and out liberal pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage RINO.


32 posted on 11/04/2009 6:56:23 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: Mr. K
Those are the 6% who vote for anything with an (R) after it's name by pulling the straight-party ticket out of habit. Those are the moderate Republican voters we need. We don't need moderate Republican candidates, pundits, or party bosses to win elections, but we do need that 6%. Notice conservatives plus folks who vote for anything labeled (R) constituted a majority in NY-23. If the party has the wit nominate Hoffman in 2010, he wins.
33 posted on 11/04/2009 6:57:57 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: dajeeps

I challange you for the most conservative district....I am in NY22.

we had a democrat candidate who handed out flyers with no mention that he was a Democrat. I suspected something amiss and he was listed on the Democrat line on my voting machine. guess he was just ashamed that he was a democrat this year. LMAO! now THAT is a good sign of a conservative district.


34 posted on 11/04/2009 6:59:17 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: PurpleMountains

You’re underestimating the ability of the RNC to learn the wrong lesson from this.


35 posted on 11/04/2009 7:02:47 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: tioga

Indeed it is a conservative district when the Democrat doesn’t want to state his party affiliation, and yours just might have my district beat for the most conservative.

I’m sure the guy I have now was voter backlash over TARP and people weren’t thinking about what we’d get instead.

I really just wanted to point out that we can win battles with the party establishment, but end up losing real war against socialism if we we don’t do this right. No body won in NY-23 last night, and knowing what it’s like to have a liberal as a rep, I think the people in NY-23 lost big.


36 posted on 11/04/2009 7:15:32 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: The_Reader_David
Those are the 6% who vote for anything with an (R) after it's name by pulling the straight-party ticket out of habit. Those are the moderate Republican voters we need. We don't need moderate Republican candidates, pundits, or party bosses to win elections, but we do need that 6%. Notice conservatives plus folks who vote for anything labeled (R) constituted a majority in NY-23.

I dunno about that. A FReeper last night commented that this part of NY may include a lot of folks who resented the intrusion of "national" politicians into their local politics ... I don't know if that's actually true, but it sounds right.

On that theory, the 6% who went for Scozzafava may well have done so intentionally; and others may well have stayed home.

If the party has the wit nominate Hoffman in 2010, he wins.

Maybe. I suspect not, if he gets "nationalized" again. That probably wouldn't go over well a second time.

37 posted on 11/04/2009 7:16:28 AM PST by r9etb
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To: dajeeps

upon full disclosure, I have Maurice Hinchey.........who said he didn’t need to hold town hall meetings as he already knew we wanted healthcare reform. riiiight.

my town and county are republican.


38 posted on 11/04/2009 7:17:57 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: dajeeps
I really just wanted to point out that we can win battles with the party establishment, but end up losing real war against socialism if we we don’t do this right.

A very good point. It is one thing to win an internecine battle within a political party, but it's a whole other ballgame to win en election. It's not going to do us much good if we can win nominating contests but die in the general election. We'll still be on the outs. We need to get candidates who first support our positions but then can articulate it well and be appealing to the independent voters who more often than not decide elections like this. The fact that we lost a seat that has been held by a 'Pub for a century or so is an illustration of why we should avoid these fratricidal and ultimately suicidal battles.

39 posted on 11/04/2009 7:24:19 AM PST by chimera
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To: tioga

I agree. ;)


40 posted on 11/04/2009 7:27:53 AM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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