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BLOOD ON THE PRESIDENT'S HANDS
Town Hall ^ | 10/10/09 | Mike Silverman

Posted on 10/10/2009 6:06:56 PM PDT by kathsua

It was bound to happen sooner or later that President Obama's natural liberal hatered and loathing for all things military slipped out for all to see in a highly palpable and deadly way. Now all this attempt to denigrate General McChrystal is out there. The General has only made what might be considered an indirect appeal for his plan to be implemented. People should keep in mind that a Bush white House and an Obama White House are different creatures when it comes to attitude toward the military. Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, the usual liberal suspects.. have exhibited contempt, flagrant contempt..., for our military men and women attempting to achieve success in war during the Bush administration, and it was pure... politics. The military rank and file and the commanders know very well the disdain that liberal polticians hold for the military. It is clear, to everyone, that Obama is following personal political considerations in his choice of how to permit the war in Afghanistan to be waged. He has forced General McChrystal to make a public appeal because a private appeal only falls on deaf ears. If I was in his place , knowing that the lives of the men in women under my command are being lost daily due to... what is clearly a political tactic ..., of delaying what is needed to wage the war adequately, of rules of engagement that are handcuffing his troops. I would be outraged. As a citizen I "am" outraged over all of this, as are many in our nation.

There should be no Democrat party political motivations involved if Obama is interested in doing what is right to protect the country, if he has to take a hit politically, then so be it, he should be ready and able to take it. Bush was slammed like hell by the press , the Democrats and even moderates in his own party almost EVERY DAY that he committed to the war in Iraq.

Every time we get caught up in arguing about whether McChrystal leaked some of the info in his report, or made an indirect appeal for his stratregy, we are losing focus on the real engagement of the war, and getting caught in the minutia. There is far..., far too much time being spent on hand wringing and groaning over what McChrystal is doing to get his plan implemented and not enough outrage that Obama is putting the war, the country, and our reputation of military excellence in jeapordy every moment he delays in doing the right thing. The villian is not McChrystal, and not Obama... it's the enemy we are trying to kill. BUT...we've got a weak, liberal socialist egotist for a President and a General who desperately wants to be able to make things happen without needing to have that liberal leftist's approval, and that just isn't going to happen. Personally I'm torn, because it seems the only way McChrystal is going to get Obama to consider his plan at any level is for him to put on the Presidential kneepads and ..., well you get the idea. And the thought sickens me. Our President is failing in his most important role, defense of the country. On the other hand, we have to win this battle. the consequences of losing are far too devastating. And pulling out... is losing. McChrystal is put in an impossible situation. He has to try to complete the mission goal without employing the strategy he has developed to do that. Obama is sticking his thumb in McChrystal's eye and treating him like a second stringer. If I was a fighting man in Afghanistan in the Marines or Army or whatever branch, I would be wondering how much more of our own military's spilt blood the President needs to see on his hands before he does the right thing.

It's obvious that Obama lied heartily and thoroughly during his campaign when asked about his strategy on fighting terrorism.

Below are actual quotes of Barack Obama when asked about the war on terror during his campaign....;

* "The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism," ....

* "I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq," he said. "...troop levels must increase in Afghanistan." * "For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," ( he told CBS.) "I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities."

Here is a source you can check for yourself for the above three quotes made by Obama...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/obama.afghanistan/


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; generalmcchrystal; obama; trooplevel
Obama has no idea what he is doing. Let's hope Gen. McChrystal can manage under an incompetent commander in chief.
1 posted on 10/10/2009 6:06:56 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

He is killing our TROOPS!!!!!


2 posted on 10/10/2009 6:08:27 PM PDT by GregB (God sent us Sarah Palin!!!!!!!!!)
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To: GregB

Some people’s anger will know no bounds, especially the parents of the fallen.


3 posted on 10/10/2009 6:15:03 PM PDT by Recon Dad (“I never speak ill of dead people or live judges.”)
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To: kathsua
Obama has no idea what he is doing.

What a revelation.

The village idiot is showing his colors finally?

4 posted on 10/10/2009 6:15:16 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kathsua
Their blood is indeed on his hands under the current ROE's!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
5 posted on 10/10/2009 7:41:21 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: kathsua

Since the news no longer reports it.
154 Soldiers, Sailors , Marines and Airmen killed in Afghanistan since the announcement of the new rules of engagement on July 2

Rest in Peace
154)10-10-2009 NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not Yet Reported
153)10-07-2009 Westbrook, Kenneth W. Sergeant 1st Class
152)10-04-2009 Hill, Kevin O. Specialist
151)10-03-2009 Hardt, Joshua M. Sergeant
150)10-03-2009 Gallegos, Justin T. Sergeant
149)10-03-2009 Mace, Stephen L. Specialist
148)10-03-2009 Martin, Vernon W. Staff Sergeant
147)10-03-2009 Griffin, Christopher T. Specialist
146)10-03-2009 Scusa, Michael P. Not yet reported
145)10-03-2009 Kirk, Joshua J. Sergeant
144)10-03-2009 Thomson. Kevin C. Private 1st Class
143)10-03-2009 Owens, Brandon A Private 1st Class
142)10-03-2009 Smith, Aaron M. Sergeant
141)10-02-2009 Rabjohn, Thomas D. Sergeant
140)10-02-2009 Sklaver, Benjamin A. Captain
139)10-02-2009 Newton Jr., Alan H. Private 1st Class
138)10-02-2009 Adams, Ryan C. Sergeant
137)10-01-2009 Hercules Jr., Russell S.Specialist
136)9-30-2009 French IV, Alex Staff Sergeant
135)9-28-2009 Shaw, Christopher D. Sergeant 1st Class
134)9-28-2009 Martin III, Jack M. Staff Sergeant
133)9-26-2009 Chrobot, Jordan L. Lance Corporal
132)9-26-2009 Graham, Kevin J. Specialist
131)9-24-2009 Malone, John J. Lance Corporal
130)9-24-2009 Reynolds, Titus R. Sergeant
129)9-24-2009 Smith, Edward Bernard Sergeant
128)9-24-2009 White, Joseph V. Specialist
127)9-21-2009 Meredith, William L. Private 1st Class
126)9-20-2009 Kowall, Corey J. Specialist
125)9-20-2009 Winkleman, Damon G. Specialist
124)9-19-2009 Davis, David A. Sergeant
123)9-17-2009 Monroe, Jeremiah J. Private 1st Class
122)9-16-2009 Gordon II, Robert D. Sergeant
121)9-16-2009 Bohle, Bradley S. Sergeant 1st Class
120)9-16-2009 McCloskey, Shawn P. Sergeant 1st Class
119)9-16-2009 Mills, Joshua M. Staff Sergeant
118)9-15-2009 Void, Demetrius L. Specialist
117)9-14-2009 Wright II, David T. 1st Lieutenant
116)9-14-2009 McConnell, Andrew H. Sergeant
115)9-12-2009 Hornbarger, James R Technical Sergeant
114)9-12-2009 Berky, Bryan D. Staff Sergeant
113)9-12-2009 Juden, Tyler A. Sergeant
112)9-12-2009 Cox, Daniel L. Specialist
111)9-12-2009 Allen, Nekl B. Staff Sergeant
110)9-11-2009 Martinek, Matthew M. Private 1st Class
109)9-10-2009 Fowlkes, Christopher S. Lance Corporal
108)9-10-2009 Parten, Tyler E. 1st Lieutenant
107)9-08-2009 Layton, James R. Petty Officer 3rd Class
106)9-08-2009 Johnson Jr., Edwin Wayne Gunnery Sergeant
105)9-08-2009 Johnson, Michael E. 1st Lieutenant
104)9-08-2009 Kenefick, Aaron M. Staff Sergeant
103)9-06-2009 Haney, Randy M. Sergeant
102)9-06-2009 Murphrey, Michael C. Staff Sergeant
101)9-05-2009 Loney, Youvert Sergeant
100)9-05-2009 Meadows, Joshua S. Captain
99)9-04-2009 Andrews, Darryn D. 2nd Lieutenant
98)9-03-2009 Baltazar Jr., Christopher S. Lance Corporal
97)9-03-2009 Castiglione, Benjamin P. Petty Officer 3rd Class
96)8-31-2009 Welch, Jonathan D. Specialist
95)8-31-2009 Brochu, Jordan M. Private 1st Class
94)8-31-2009 Hall, David R. Lance Corporal
93)8-31-2009 Walshe, Tyler R. Specialist
92)8-29-2009 Hario, Eric W Private 1st Class
91)8-29-2009 Dahlke, Jason Sean Staff Sergeant
90)8-28-2009 Wheeler III, Abraham Sherrod Specialist
89)8-27-2009 Wildes, Matthew Everett Private 1st Class
88)8-26-2009 Hogan, Donald James Lance Corporal
87)8-26-2009 Curtiss, Kurt Robert Staff Sergeant
86)8-25-2009 Hallett III, John Louis Captain
85)8-25-2009 Jenkins, Cory J. Captain
84)8-25-2009 Williams, Dennis Michael Specialist
83)8-25-2009 Sawyer, Ronald Wayne Sergeant 1st Class
82)8-22-2009 Morin, Darby Todd Corporal
81)8-22-2009 Lobosco, Andrew Thomas Staff Sergeant
80)8-21-2009 Ingram, Matthew Lee Sergeant
79)8-20-2009 Pellerin, Justin Reid Specialist
78)8-20-2009 Wolverton, Brian Michael Not Yet Reported
77)8-19-2009 Dumont Jr., Paul Edmond Specialist
76)8-18-2009 Benjamin, Adam Frank Gunnery Sergeant
75)8-18-2009 Yanney, Jonathan Christopher Private 1st Class
74)8-18-2009 Walker, Morris Lewis Not Yet Reported
73)8-18-2009 Tom, Troy Orion Specialist
72)8-18-2009 Crisostomo, Jose San Nicolas 1st Sergeant
71)8-18-2009 Bowen, Clayton Patrick Private 1st Class
70)8-17-2009 Damas, Leopold Fred Lance Corporal
69)8-16-2009 Woods Jr., William Brian Sergeant 1st Class
68)8-16-2009 Roush, Nicholas Ryan Corporal
67)8-14-2009 Bernard, Joshua Matthew Lance Corporal
66)8-13-2009 Cahir, William John Sergeant
65)8-12-2009 Tinsley, John Captain
64)8-10-2009 Ferrell, Bruce Earnest Lance Corporal
63)8-09-2009 Schimmel, Patrick Wayne Lance Corporal
62)8-08-2009 Swanson, Matthew Kalen Samue Specialist
61)8-08-2009 Olvera, Javier Lance Corporal 20
60)8-08-2009 Smith, Tara Jean Staff Sergeant
59)8-07-2009 Burrow, Dennis James Lance Corporal
58)8-07-2009 Freeman, Matthew Charles Hays Captain
57)8-07-2009 Evans Jr., Jerry Randall Sergeant
56)8-06-2009 Hoskins, Jay Michael Sergeant
55)8-06-2009 Guzman, Rivera Christian Armando Corporal
54)8-06-2009 Argentine, James David Lance Corporal
53)8-06-2009 Babine, Travis Thornton Lance Corporal
52)8-05-2009 Garcia, Anthony Christian Petty Officer 3rd Class
51)8-02-2009 Summers III, Severin West Sergeant 1st Class
50)8-02-2009 Luce Jr., Ronald George Captain
49)8-02-2009 Granado III, Alejandro Sergeant 1st Class
48)8-01-2009 Walls, Jonathan Michael Corporal
47)8-01-2009 Fitzgibbon, Patrick Scott Private
46)8-01-2009 Jones, Richard Kelvin Private
45)7-31-2009 Miller, Alexander Joel Specialist
44)7-30-2009 Posey, Gregory Alan Lance Corporal
43)7-30-2009 Stroud, Jonathan Fulton Lance Corporal
42)7-29-2009 Vose III, Douglas Melville Chief Warrant Officer
41)7-29-2009 Smith, Gerrick David Sergeant
40)7-25-2009 Vincent, Donald Wayne Private 1st Class
39)7-24-2009 Coleman, Justin Dean Specialist
38)7-23-2009 Charpentier, Andrew Scott Aviation Electronics Technician Airman
37)7-23-2009 Lane, Ryan H. Sergeant
36)7-23-2009 Xiarhos, Nicholas George Corporal
35)7-23-2009 Lasher, Jeremy Scott Lance Corporal
34)7-22-2009 Neff Jr, Randy L.J. Specialist
33)7-22-2009 Rimer, Joshua James Sergeant
32)7-21-2009 Morales, Raymundo Porras Sergeant
31)7-20-2009 Pratt, Dennis Joseph Private 1st Class
30)7-20-2009 Roughton, Andrew Jay Specialist
29)7-20-2009 Owens Jr., Gregory Sergeant
28)7-20-2009 Lightfoot, Anthony Marquis Specialist
27)7-18-2009 Kopp, Benjamin Stephen Corporal
26)7-18-2009 Gramith, Thomas Joseph Captain
25)7-18-2009 Mcdowell, Mark Russell Captain
24)7-14-2009 Fabrizi, Jason John Sergeant 1st Class
23)7-13-2009 Spicer, David Shane Staff Sergeant
22)7-13-2009 Heede Jr, Michael Wayne Sergeant
21)7-12-2009 Lindstrom, Eric James Staff Sergeant
20)7-11-2009 Hatfield, Jerome David Master Sergeant
19)7-11-2009 Barbozaflores, Pedro Antonio Lance Corporal
18)7-10-2009 Lembke, Matthew Ryan Corporal
17)7-09-2009 Farris, Joshua Ray Specialist
16)7-09-2009 Missman, Gregory James Specialist
15)7-08-2009 Roy, Michael C. Sergeant
14)7-08-2009 Hager, Roger Gary Michael Lance Corporal
13)7-08-2009 Tate, Darren Ethan Aviation Ordnanceman Airman
12)7-08-2009 Hayes, John Eric Sergeant
11)7-07-2009 Talbert, Christopher M. Specialist
10)7-06-2009 Garner,Mark A. Captain
9)7-06-2009 Chavers, Brock H. Sergeant
8)7-06-2009 Hosford, Chester W. Specialist
7)7-06-2009 Williams, Derwin I. 2nd Lieutenant
6)7-06-2009 Johnson, Issac L. Specialist
5)7-06-2009 Randolph, Tony Michael Petty Officer Second Class
4)7-06-2009 Gideon, Nicolas H. J. Private 1st Class
3)7-04-2009 Fairbairn, Aaron E. Private 1st Class
2)7-04-2009 Casillas, Justin A. Private 1st Class
1)7-02-2009 Sharp, Charles S. Lance Corporal

UW Military Fatalities in Afghanistan by year
Year US
2001 12
2002 49
2003 48
2004 52
2005 99
2006 98
2007 117
2008 155
2009 241
Total 871


6 posted on 10/10/2009 7:57:11 PM PDT by Lera
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To: kathsua

bump


7 posted on 10/10/2009 8:13:57 PM PDT by Christian4Bush ("A community organizer can't start bitching when communities organize." - Rush, 8/5/09)
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