Posted on 09/25/2009 12:36:14 PM PDT by pissant
You’ve heard, I’m sure, the claim that Obama has spent some large amount of money (since the amount is a wild guess, specifics vary widely) keeping his birth certificate a secret. Those who follow these questions know that nothing Obama can do will make the Conspiracy Theorists withdraw. If he was born in Hawaii, then he’s not a natural born citizen anyway. If a court rules the against them, it just means the judge is traitor. If nothing Obama can do (short of resigning) will have any effect on birther activity, then it is certain that the birthers bear all of the responsibility for all the public funds spent in dealing with birtherism.
What are those costs?
* Members of Congress are flooded with emails, letters and phone calls asking questions and making demands related to birther theories. Their staff read and answer the mail.
* State officials, including secretaries of state, are pestered with birther questions.
* FOIA requests (which in most cases are free to the requester) have been filed, and must be researched and responded to
* The state and federal courts have been flooded with cases (at least 60 actions!) and many of the plaintiffs have asked that the filing fee be waived.
* Many of the cases involve government defendants (state secretaries of state, Nancy Pelosi, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Elections Commission, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of State Clinton, Vice President Biden, Secretary of State Gates, various military commanders, the US House of Representatives and the US Senate — not to mention Barack and Michelle Obama). All of these are defended at public expense.
Add up the time and effort of congressional staff, judges, law clerks, state officials and federal agency staffers. It’s got to be in the millions. Birthers are not harmless
I fully agree with everything in your post beginning and ending with your first line:
“That post of yours is the most outrageous, irrational analysis I have ever read.”
...............and it would have been settled a year ago.
Either the Constitution means what it says or it does not. Show the birth certificate
W R O N G !
The Twentieth amendment, section three plainly states:
”3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”
Basically, this passage ORDERS CONGRESS to verify TWO things before allowing a President elect to become President.
1. Is he alive?
2. Does he "qualify?"
If the answer to either of these two questions is "NO", Congress is instructed to seat a replacement who must also meet both of these conditions successfully, "alive", and "qualified".
Since the Constitution itself orders Congress to seat a replacement, Congress MUST know whether or not to do so. This means that the President elect MUST provide PROOF of being "qualified" to Congress or he isn't allowed to be President.
The words, "or, if the President elect shall have failed to qualify" clearly places the burden of "qualifying" upon the "President elect" as he can only fail at something He has tried to do. There is only one set of non-health related "requirements" for a "President elect" to "qualify" for in the Constitution, those being the eligibility requirements.
To prove age you need a proper birth certificate. To prove "natural born" citizenship you need a proper birth certificate. Congress, or any member therein can demand to see a proper birth certificate at any time these so choose in order to satisfy the requirements made of them in section three. Did they? If so, lets see what was provided. If not, we do not have a legal President.
way to step all over your own dick noob. pissant did NOT write this. it was not ‘his’ rubbish. good God.
Well then the former President of the Senate and the current Chief Justice of the SCOTUS failed to do their job.
So it’s our fault for asking? Typical liberal logic.
We don't know the answer to that question. I asked Senator Vitter in a town hall meeting whether or not we, as citizens, have the right to know if someone claiming to be our "President" is legally able to occupy the office.
He didn't answer the question.
Was David Vitter’s town hall meeting on Canal Street?
“Your not going to make any headway on this site”
You’re not going to make any headway in this site without learning at least a little about the site.
“You have got to kidding?”
Before you post, preview. Your credibility suffers with posts like this.
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