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To: curth

Sorry, but I’m not on the farmer’s side, they are getting water subsidies off the tax-payers. Let *them* cover the full cost of irrigation, not the tax-payer. This isn’t an environmental issue, it’s an economic issue. If this farming would be so good for the economy then private investors would be funding it, including the irrigation.


18 posted on 09/19/2009 5:35:30 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Sorry, but I’m not on the farmer’s side, they are getting water subsidies off the tax-payers. Let *them* cover the full cost of irrigation, not the tax-payer. This isn’t an environmental issue, it’s an economic issue. If this farming would be so good for the economy then private investors would be funding it, including the irrigation.


This is the first I have heard about subsidies for water. Can you elaborate?

I don’t think it has anything to do with refusal to pay their fair share. Do you know that they are not paying for their irrigation???

From what I have heard, the EPA is shutting them down due to environmental impact of Delta Smelt. From what I understand, they were guaranteed water rights when farms were established long ago. The state wanted them to farm. I am not sure some of their legit water is not being damned up farther north...some areas are.

So it is about a fish, the delta smelt versus economics. The ag economy is a little different from other sectors of the economy, which may explain the issue of subsidies if in fact they are receiving them. If we have no food, we have a major problem that becomes an issue of national security The food supply needs to be maintained and they are a critical part of that.

In addition to not growing, they are not paying taxes, jobs are lost so welfare is increased. IMHO, it makes no senses to keep the water damned up north of them.


36 posted on 09/19/2009 6:28:26 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: LifeComesFirst

California has a system of dams and canals which captures whatever snowfall or rain we receive. Over the years, the Federal government has decided our God-given water is THEIRS to tinker with, so we were forced to SELL water to Southern California because it never rains there supposedly.
Then the enviro-whacko’s took over the Delta and the water supply and now we have to protect a Fairy Shrimp and now this Smelt. When you pay $10 for a head of lettuce and $5 for one tomato, please thank the environmental/Green movement. The sad part, is that these people, the farmers, mostly Hispanic, have NO voice in this. They are the ones standing in line for food, wondering whatever possessed them to come to America in the first place.


37 posted on 09/19/2009 6:30:02 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Yes we are the Sons, we are the Sons, the Sons of Liberty!!!)
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To: LifeComesFirst

California has a system of dams and canals which captures whatever snowfall or rain we receive. Over the years, the Federal government has decided our God-given water is THEIRS to tinker with, so we were forced to SELL water to Southern California because it never rains there supposedly.
Then the enviro-whacko’s took over the Delta and the water supply and now we have to protect a Fairy Shrimp and now this Smelt. When you pay $10 for a head of lettuce and $5 for one tomato, please thank the environmental/Green movement. The sad part, is that these people, the farmers, mostly Hispanic, have NO voice in this. They are the ones standing in line for food, wondering whatever possessed them to come to America in the first place.


38 posted on 09/19/2009 6:30:25 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Yes we are the Sons, we are the Sons, the Sons of Liberty!!!)
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