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CASH FOR CLUNKERS: LET’S LOOK AT THE MATH
Team Sarah ^ | 09/17/09 | Unknown

Posted on 09/17/2009 12:09:52 AM PDT by Cecilia Trent

A vehicle getting 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline.

A vehicle getting 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.

So, the average Clunker transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.

They claim 700,000 vehicles – so that's 224 million gallons per year.

That equates to saving a bit over 5 million barrels of oil per year. I repeat - per YEAR.

5 million barrels of oil is about ¼ of one day's U.S. consumption.

And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl.

Our Government "gave" each Clunker Trader $4,500 per car for 700,000 transactions which cost US Taxpayers $3,150,000,000 (that would be 3.15 BILLION dollars) - not including Washington's astounding Administrative costs.

So, we all contributed through our taxes to spend more than $3 billion to save $350 million.

How good a deal was that?

They'll probably do a great job with health care, though.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: cashforclunkers; deficit; dothemath; economy; obama
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1 posted on 09/17/2009 12:09:52 AM PDT by Cecilia Trent
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To: Cecilia Trent

C4C was silly, but they didn’t give $4,500 for every car, and this calculation of fuel savings is only for the first year. The cars will be on the road for many years.


2 posted on 09/17/2009 12:16:35 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Cecilia Trent

The wiseacrez in Washington are really cutting a better deal than that because they aren’t paying the dealers. So the real cost would be the astounding administrative costs, and their credibility.


3 posted on 09/17/2009 12:21:33 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Obama really did believe that stuff he was saying during the campaign)
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To: Cecilia Trent

You get about 20 gallons of gasoline from a 42 gallon barrel of oil.


4 posted on 09/17/2009 12:23:25 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Cecilia Trent

how much fuel is/was Bush/Obama selling to our enemies
in Iraq and Afghanistan at subsidized prices?


5 posted on 09/17/2009 12:25:43 AM PDT by element92
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To: Cecilia Trent

Government math, where emotions pulverize concrete numbers.


6 posted on 09/17/2009 12:27:08 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Cecilia Trent
They lost me when they showed a ‘94 ish Corvette having the engine destroyed with that chemical. I am just wondering what math genius figured any Corvette of any year was worth less than $4500. Even if the engine was already blown, the body was worth more than that. Many of the cars looked detailed before they destroyed them. I'm sure there were some “clunkers in there, but I saw many Yukon's, Jeep Grand Cherokee's, and Volvo's that had to be worth more than the $4500.

This has nothing to do with saving gas. It was just ANOTHER gift to the Auto Unions. Now they can come to work another couple of months until they break the bank for the 18th time. I figure they will need money again about Febuary.

7 posted on 09/17/2009 12:59:11 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Cecilia Trent

Broken Windows Fallacy: The government just broke a bunch of windows so that auto workers can have something to do.

Bastiat’s original parable of the broken window went like this:

Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James Goodfellow, when his careless son happened to break a pane of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact, that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation—”It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?”

Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.

Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier’s trade—that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs—I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.

But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, “Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen.”

It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.


8 posted on 09/17/2009 1:15:49 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: ltc8k6
C4C was silly, but they didn’t give $4,500 for every car, and this calculation of fuel savings is only for the first year. The cars will be on the road for many years.

So maybe if all those new cars last say 8-10 years each would we about break even? :)

9 posted on 09/17/2009 1:22:38 AM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: chuckles
"This has nothing to do with saving gas. It was just ANOTHER gift to the Auto Unions. Now they can come to work another couple of months until they break the bank for the 18th time. I figure they will need money again about Febuary."

I don't even see things THAT way.

The Obama "Joker" pics are SO right on because of the sheer madness I believe I am aware of.


The serpent in The Garden never elaborated much beyond the question, "Yea, hath God said?"

Eve responded with her own combination of fact and truth, and the serpent just used THAT to further his plan to dethrone God from man's mind.


We're being handed a bill of goods in clunkers, health care, ACORN etc.

The ultimate goal is to usurp the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and replace Him with Satan.


THAT is why America is (and always has been) the target of evil ... we started with a God accepting consciousness. We accepted the fact that there IS a God, He is the Creator and we are willing to be directed by Him.


What we are witnessing today is just another version of the Faukland Islands ... all eyes on a diversion while Israel struggles against a more immediate Satanic affront.


And Jimmeh Cahtah is still on the scene

10 posted on 09/17/2009 1:23:35 AM PDT by knarf
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To: knarf

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

That’s really the bottom line.


11 posted on 09/17/2009 2:38:14 AM PDT by vanilla swirl
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To: ltc8k6

They said 5 million barrels EVERY YEAR. Regardless of that the argument still holds. It was silly to spend that sort of money to get so little in return. Further and probably more important, destroying usable assets was even sillier in the face of needy people who could have used. them. Now, because of c4c, used car prices are going up. Good work Obama.


12 posted on 09/17/2009 2:38:32 AM PDT by politicalmerc (If Birthers are so silly, then why not show the BC and put them to shame?)
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To: Cecilia Trent

What does money matter when we’re saving the planet?


13 posted on 09/17/2009 2:39:50 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("Prosperity is just around the corner." Herbert Hoover, 1932)
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To: chuckles

Bingo! A gift to the unions of taxpayer money.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 2:40:10 AM PDT by politicalmerc (If Birthers are so silly, then why not show the BC and put them to shame?)
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To: vanilla swirl

Amen


15 posted on 09/17/2009 3:09:42 AM PDT by knarf
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To: Cecilia Trent

We also wasted the resources to build the wrecked cars and the energy it took to make them


16 posted on 09/17/2009 3:18:46 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Zack Attack; ltc8k6

Not when you consider all the interest our great great great grandchildren will have to pay on the money the government borrowed to run this scam.


17 posted on 09/17/2009 3:40:30 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: Nachum

Ping.


18 posted on 09/17/2009 3:42:24 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: Zack Attack

Much quicker when Barry causes the price of fuel to double... :-)


19 posted on 09/17/2009 5:01:46 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: politicalmerc

Yes, the math is off. They divided the 224M by 42 because there are 42 gallons of oil in a barrel, but you actually only get about 19-20 gallons of gasoline from a barrel of oil.

Of course, we are depending on CARS numbers provided by the admin, and we really haven’t seen a complete report yet.

We know a lot of F-150’s and Silverados were purchased, both were actually in the top 10, which puts a dent in the FE numbers given to us. The 10mpg average improvement may be well off for all anyone knows.


20 posted on 09/17/2009 5:06:45 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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