Posted on 09/03/2009 3:14:16 PM PDT by euram
Some in the anti-military community have tried to argue that the introduction of "death panels" into the healthcare debate did not have any impact because the White House was allegedly standing by the problematic provisions. Today, we learn that Obama has surrendered the argument.
(Excerpt) Read more at conservatives4palin.com ...
I think there’s a WHOLE LOT MORE to concede on... especially more of what he says is NOT in the bill.
He must think we are as dumb as he is.
After you have seen the shuck and jive act a few times, it really gets boring to even sit through it again. What's it been, 111 speeches someone said today, and counting. And out of all that, the only conclusion is “Obama lies”.
Trust is not a renewable resource.
Not to worry, he can take it out to appease those who critique it, and reinsert it when it is finalized. How many times have we seen this man flip flop so far?
I am tired of repeating myself, but deleting the end of life counseling provisions doesn’t do away with the death panel(s). See HR3200, Title IV, establishing the government “Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research” and the Commission to run it. This commission will determine what medicine and treatments are effective enough for the government to allow patients to receive and to be paid for by “private” insurance. These determinations are to be based on the treatment or prescription being economically “effective,” depending on whether the patient (or a category of patients) is deemed worth the expense because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors. This commission will determine what treatment you may receive without ever looking at your individual case. Instead, you will be assigned to a cohort or a category, and the applicable limits applied to your care. A similar panel in the UK makes the decisions on, for instance, denying cancer treatment to individuals over a certain age.
Palin's REVENGE!
The issue is the inevitable rationing — and, in particular rationing for the disabled or the elderly. Whoever makes these decisions, will comprise “death panels”.
BTW, the death panels will not be easy to identify — but, they do exist in various forms in any government-monopoly health care system (including the one I depend upon — Canada's).
BTW, the best source of information about Canada's health care system is the “Fraser Institute, a conservative Canadian think tank. They have published the definitive studies on the system; and their studies have resulted in some real changes. (For instance, the Fraser Institute was the first to track the way that wait-lists are used to ration health care. After years of denying that fact, and vicious attacks on the Fraser Institute, Canadian governments admitted to the problem, and have adopted time-on-wait-lists as an indicator of the performance of their respective systems.)
You can access these reports here (just follow the links)
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/researchandpublications/researchtopics/health.htm
Since American “progressives” like to say that Canada's health care system is worthy of emulation — you should find out what you're about to emulate. Learn from our decades of experience.
Brings back VP AlGore’s fundraiser at the Buddhist temple (Cash for Clunkers ver. 1.0) and the phone calls he made soliciting money for the DNC (C4C ver 1.1).
His first response was always, “...I don’t believe I did anything improper”, and, once exposed, “...I promise never to do it again.”.
What does this mean ? SOME of the death panels?
To “Mack Daddy the Zebra” all are expendable.
he would be right.
the camel just wants its nose under the tent.
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