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Colleges to parents: you can pay the way, but can’t see the results
"Oh No You Didn't Say That" Blog ^ | August 18, 2009 | SpeakToPower

Posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:56 AM PDT by SpeakToPower

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To: Richard Kimball

FERPA is certainly not new, nor is some prohibition of access to undergrads educational info. However, in this particular case, this University’s “former policy ... of sending grade reports and notices of preliminary disciplinary action to parents and guardians of dependent students” is changing from a situation where the school “routinely answered parent inquiries regarding a ... student’s academic progress” to a situation where no information is available to parent without express authorizataion from student.


21 posted on 08/18/2009 8:58:54 AM PDT by SpeakToPower
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To: SpeakToPower

One other thing, just as a warning. This came from one of the more difficult discussions I had with a grandparent.
The grandfather had paid tuition for the semester (a couple of thousand dollars.) His grandson did everything he could to get thrown out of my class. I finally kicked him out after two weeks. About a month and a half later, the grandfather dropped by to ask how his grandson was doing.
It turns out the kid had only registered in order to get kicked out so he could take the refund and pocket it. He never told his grandfather he’d been kicked out of class, and the only question he asked me when I was checking him out was how soon the refund would be available.
Legally, the money belongs to the student for refunds. There are different rules for financial aid and loans, but if an individual pays for another individual’s classes, that money is a gift. The refund will go to the student, not the person who paid.
Just an FYI.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 8:59:12 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: SpeakToPower

My guess is a lawyer reviewed their policy. There’s a disconnect in whether a student is a child or adult. They can be listed as a dependent until age 25, and parental income is listed for financial aid, but the student is considered an adult in terms of privacy.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 9:02:25 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Blueflag

Ping. All my kids understood that if I didn’t see the grades their education was on them.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 9:02:26 AM PDT by dools007
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To: SpeakToPower

That’s not a college rule, that’s federal law. Your college age kid is an adult, if they want you to see their grades they can show them to you, but the college is not allowed to distribute their personal information to ANYBODY but them. No grades, no address, NOTHING.


25 posted on 08/18/2009 9:04:36 AM PDT by discostu (Somehow mister reliable was not where he was supposed to be)
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To: Carley

That’s HIPAA regulations, medical information can’t be distributed without patient permission. Whether or not the person is even a patient is privileged information. The same law that keeps you from finding out if your kid is receiving psychiatric care also keeps your boss from finding out if you’re seeing a shrink.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 9:07:31 AM PDT by discostu (Somehow mister reliable was not where he was supposed to be)
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To: jagusafr
Sorry - Fredericksburg, Texas.

Darn! Just a little too far from VA to go get a photo. Oh well....

27 posted on 08/18/2009 9:10:02 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Carley

Even outside of the college realm, I cannot see my daughter’s medical records, although she is on my health insurance, and I pay the co-pays and deductibles. All the insurance explanation of benefits are mailed to her.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 9:10:03 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: SpeakToPower

The real translation of that message is: we found out our old policy and actions were in direct violation of federal law, so we stopped.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 9:10:44 AM PDT by discostu (Somehow mister reliable was not where he was supposed to be)
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To: SpeakToPower

I don’t have a problem with this. They are adults and entitled to show their records to whoever they want. If parents are paying for it, they are entitled to demand to see the records, from the kids, not the school.


30 posted on 08/18/2009 9:14:12 AM PDT by Defiant (Soetoroastrianism: Thus Spoke Barrythustra.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Were you able to fully inform the grandfather of what was transpiring at that point or were your hands still tied?


31 posted on 08/18/2009 9:19:31 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: SpeakToPower

I am happy to report that my daughter who graduated from college in May got a manager trainnee job with benefits at Abercrombe.


32 posted on 08/18/2009 9:19:54 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: SpeakToPower
We had no problem and we put two kids through the UC (University of California) system.

They signed a waiver and we had total access. This was at least 6 years ago to current.

33 posted on 08/18/2009 9:22:50 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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To: SpeakToPower

we have been forbidden for some time, due to Federal Privacy Laws (no doubt having genesis with Bill Ayers and the SDS). In my daughter’s freshman orientation they drilled this point home to parents over and over and over again...


34 posted on 08/18/2009 9:27:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Oh, and I guess under S-CHIP we also now have the right to pay for their health care until they are thirty


35 posted on 08/18/2009 9:28:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SpeakToPower

My kids handed over the password or we didn’t hand over the check.

End of story.


36 posted on 08/18/2009 9:29:31 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: SpeakToPower
students should be treated as responsible adults

I believe the primarily aspect of responsibility is the ability to not present a monetary burden to others?

If an employer pays someone to perform work, the employer has the right, nay, responsibility, to review the work.

It is the responsibility of a teacher teaching a student a subject to review the test results.

It is the responsibility of a parent paying a school to teach their child to review the progress.

37 posted on 08/18/2009 9:40:55 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: TigersEye

All I could tell him was that his grandson was not one of my students and that the tuition refund check had already been picked up.
It’s easy to connect the dots from that, but I had to let him connect them. When he walked out of my office, he looked like he’d been shot. He could not believe that a family member would con him like that.


38 posted on 08/18/2009 9:50:06 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Most of the colleges don’t mind it that much. For me, I teach firefighting, and have prospects come in in their mid twenties with their parents, and bring their parents with them for grade disputes. If the student consents, I can discuss anything. The first thing I ask the student is, “So, you’re ready to be a firefighter, but you need your mom for a grade dispute?”


39 posted on 08/18/2009 9:54:39 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

That’s terrible. A tough situation for both of you.


40 posted on 08/18/2009 10:06:02 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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