It works great. You just have to precharge the air conditioning like you precharge the battery.
Better bring a towel for when it is melting in your lap.
Posted on 08/12/2009 1:59:22 PM PDT by Slapshot68
You may be right.
If it had been a Smart Car the truck bumpers would be touching.
The Volt does take us in the direction of thumbing our noses at Chavez...etc.
That and actually allowing drilling in areas like off of Florida and California....and, the Bakken or Williston Basin and just east of the Rockies with at least a combined known quantity approaching a trillion bbl’s of oil, sweet oil at that.
When obama doesn't have an energy policy other than cash-for-clunkers it might seem rather bleak.
Electric cars suck.
***** “Unlike most people, I’m actually a fan of electric cars (no tree-hugging sentiments here; to me, they’re a big middle finger at Chavez and Ahmadinejad, since we can run them on domestic coal, nuclear, etc), and even I’m sick of fake mpg numbers like that” *****
Yeah but the nutburger tree huggers think that their electric outlets in their garage are “magic” they don’t think that we need Atomic Energy, Coal Generators, Natural Gas etc etc let alone transmission lines, fewer regulations and exploration. Next year when the Guberment (if they wait that long) attaches the road tax to your domestic electric bill you may be singing a different song.
Jus sayin
TT
Oh, let’s not kid ourselves: pure electric cars are “second cars”. Of course, I *do* have a second car, and need to replace it. Might as well get electric, since 98% of my driving isn’t all that far.
As for oil, Bakken, Florida, California, etc aren’t panacaeas on their own. We use over double the oil we produce. To achieve oil independence in a reasonable timeframe, we have to *both* consume less and produce more. We have hundreds of years of coal and virtually boundless uranium (when you consider seawater extraction); might as well use that instead.
***** “The Kings Valley in Nevada alone has as much lithium as the entire world’s “reserves” figure if you’re willing to pay $20 a pound for it” *****
In Ashland Oregon they have lithium spring water... (tastes nasty)
TT
Come up with Zero Point Energy....then everyone wins.....I think ZPE is a long way off...if ever.
Oh yeah...
Now instead of rolling fine and looking phat,
My my seat is sticking to the vinyl
And my posse's gettin laughed at...
I drive a 2003 civic hybrid. I hate paying gas taxes to my state, and the Feds.
Also, my state allows me in the High Occupancy commuter lanes in my hybrid, which as been a real time saver.
My batteries are still going strong at 150,000 miles, and may not need service for another 50K at least.
In 03, I read a lot of analysis about how I would need years to recover my additional investment in my hybrid, at $1.50 per gallon.
Not a round trip, but if the whole trip is from north to south, it's possible - that trip is "all downhill." Just check a globe or map if you don't believe me.
And we are to take your word for that why? Not only that, why should we believe GM? They are, after all, owned by the government now, notorious for lying and evading the truth.
To add to that you are extremely hysterical over a car that most people don't want to start with. Give me gasoline or give me death. I don't care how many miles per kilowatt the volt gets, I want us to drill our own oil and power up the nuke plants as fast as we can make them. We don't have the capacity, and never will at the rate we are going, to charge a bunch of electric cars.
Drill, mine coal, build nukes. These should be our priorities right now, electric cars are a gimmick and really not practical at this time. BTW, Volts aren't even on the market yet and there so called mileage figures? They are what GM hopes the Volt gets. None of us know for sure yet what they will actually do.
It works great. You just have to precharge the air conditioning like you precharge the battery.
Better bring a towel for when it is melting in your lap.
The Chinese will kill them all with the BYD E6 in 2011. We stopped them for years from coming in but Zero opened the gates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGr9iXuPk8I
I didn't think so.
A 230 mile all downhill trip would have to start at the ISS. :)
>>>>>>>>>They’re warrantying them for 10 years/150,000 miles. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I drive 35,000 miles per year. So technically it would only be a 4.3 year warranty.
>>>>>>>>>> And 10+ years from now it should be notably less. <<<<<<<<<<<<<
So what is the price going to be in 4 years?
Coal and uranium won't power your car other than through a limited range electric car. Electric cars will only create a need for more power plants.
What isn't a panacea is the electric car.
Ford and BMW have done a lot of work on hydrogen combustion engines, including demonstrating a explosion-proof fuel tank that wouldn't explode even when hole and set on fire.
The infrastructure is already in place with modification at your friendly area gas station. It could provide the perfect transition from gasoline to hydrogen along with conversion kits for existing engines.
Electric cars suck!
Good one!
The thing that irritates me when they publish these MPG equivalent, I seriously doubt that they are taking into consideration the cost of the electricity that it takes to charge these batteries.
They plugged in the car, charged the batteries, then ran a 50 mile course. 40 miles were run before the hybrid engine started to recharge the batteries and power the car.
When operating in hybrid mode, the Volt gets about 60 mpg. Pretty good, but nowhere near 230.
You are confusing the issue. They are saying that if you drive the expected 40 miles with a single charge, the equivalent prorata measure of would be 230 mpg. Another way to look at it is if you drove 40 miles, recharged, drove another 40 miles, recharged and did 6 legs in total, it would have taken slightly more than a gallon of gas to produce that electricity. They are not including the combustion engine in that figure.
Impressive mileage you’ve got there. Glad I don’t have to drive that much! Yeah, if you drive that much, you’d expire your warranty pretty quickly. Most people drive a lot less. Of course, not like the pack will die the day the warranty expires. Or like it even “dies” outright at all; the warranty guarantees at least 80% charge capacity.
As for what the price will be in 4.3 years, I don’t know. I know EnerDel thinks their cells will be cut in half when they get up to a few hundred thousand packs per year. Not sure what LG Chem (who makes the Volt’s cells) forecasts. If I had to guess, I’d wager a new pack in 4.3 years would probably be about $4,500.
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