Posted on 08/11/2009 8:56:44 AM PDT by pissant
I am not a Birther. Which is not to say that I think the question of Barack Obama’s US citizenship has in anyway been adequately answered, it has scarcely even been addressed other than through sneers and accusations of racism (and yes, a Certificate of Live Birth and several conflicting CNN statements…). Rather, I just don’t believe it in anyway likely that Mr. Obama wasn’t born in the country when two Hawaiian newspapers reported at the time that he was.
That said, I find the way that people who do believe that is a possibility are being treated by everyone - from the White House, to the media, to many even in the conservative blogosphere - to be completely unfair. Birthers are treated as kooks and extremists, banned from the comment sections of websites, and given less respect or voice in the media than those detached enough from basic reality to believe that passenger planes didn’t hit the World Trade Center on 9/11 despite, you know, the video of it happening and the missing passenger jets full of people. It begs the question - Is uncertainty about the citizenship of the President of the United States really so offensive? Certainly no one expressed this kind of outrage when John McCain’s eligibility was questioned due to his birth in the Panama Canal Zone. And I say rightly so. Here is why:
The list of qualifications for the presidency as spelled out by our founding fathers is remarkably short. As it turns out, almost anyone can be president, as long as they meet three, and only three, basic criteria. One, that they are a natural born citizen of the United States. Two, that they are at least 35 years old. And three,
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I had no idea that Taitz and Donofrio and Apuzzo and Kreep were troofers
This seems as good as any place to put last week thoughts...If anyone who reads it has more to add let me know. It’s in a constant state of revision and may need to add a second page:
The heat pops the corn.
Thoughts:
Contributions from: BP2; Pissant; Shield ; Unspun
RE in which the BO administration is investigating the CIA: They forgot their own rule (don’t go after institutions):
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
THOUGHTS:
A. BO is scrubbing documents.
B. BO cannot be certain that he has scrubbed EVERY document: every copy of his BC etc etc etc. (AND there is No doubt that he has tried. He’s hiding something)
C. Who’s to say that the FBI/CIA/Interpol isn’t involved in this?
1. Bush cooperated (See Canadian recent news or radio program) maybe at their requests.
2. Bill Clinton recently visits CIA (takes trip to Korea—Freepers notice BO body language is negative and WJC return with girls.
D. Pissant downloaded a large number of articles re: the BC right before the “fake one” came out. (Remember thinking when there’s a lot of flack, we’re over the target: Something was going to happen and it did.) Timing suspect.
1. Orley document asked to be authenticated and others created that were soon proven false.
2. Orley’s website compromised (Soro’s son on Google board)
a. A web-obot said he created Orley’s document.
b. BP2 shows how pictures of web-obot are not like Orley’s (Maiden/ stain)
E. The Canadian Press wrote an article about how information was being suppressed way back to before the election because talking heads had been threatened if they mentioned the BC. They said they had documentation/proof. They promised more information would soon be released. Radio broadcast named networks and said Bush had cooperated. Traced much to Soros and Company (including BO)
1. If false information it looks like bait to me...Come and get it the guys in Red have the place covered)
2. If true Obama is desperate (and dangerous and crazily deceitful)
3. Net works named have remained quiet and have not responded to the Canadian “news”
4. Dobbs is reporting on BC. Making it an question of openness.
F. Neither D or E could have been accomplished by some kid in his parents basement (Forgery yes but coordinating all those media outlets, NO. Particularly because they were each different: not from talking points)
G. Bo would have that power. He would have no reason of knowing if a document given to Orley was authentic or not, unless he/his minions faked it himself.
1: If he thought there was any possibility it was authentic, he’d be searching just like us.
2: He’d try to destroy it and Orly if he thought it was real. Act immediately.
3: IF he faked it himself, he’d wait until Orly was actually in court to expose her.....Let the authenticators expose her.
(What happened?...You chose)
H . If he didn’t know it was authentic and HE didn’t set it up; than the only others with the power would be the CIA, FBI etc. They could be setting up a “sting” operation with the Canadian news as bait or Orley’s BC as bait or both...Goal is more than exposing then BO’s BC, Something bigger...much bigger.
1: What purpose would BO have in attacking the CIA (He’s not going after Bush)
a. Nanzi tried to “ridicule their work”
b. Holden is Minimilizing them.
c. Rats in congress have criticized them.
Are they attempting to use step twelve against the CIA?
Risky for him unless:
He can turn it around on them and say they are getting back at him when their information is released?
I. Are foreign powers (investigators) involved?
a. Isreal? Has he been retaliating for their involvement?
b. Great Britain? It would explain the snub of the queen.
c. Hillary seems to attack BO ‘s cousins (that he campaigned for) in her visit to Kenya
d. Bill Clinton recently visit CIA/Penneta
J. Various names, addresses and social security number have been linked to BO.
Too many to list and too varied to be normal
a. People with numerous names and social security numbers fall into three categories: 1. Criminals 2. covert operatives of governments 3. Illegal aliens.
K. Obama’s numbers are dropping.
1. He’s call his thugs out
2. He attacks police (uses race card)
3. Globe article is targeting his constitutes.
4. “Obama’s numbers are falling faster the Clinton’s pants.”
I just know that this guy imagines the chatty local reporter from the newspaper dropping by the house to see the new baby, and writing up a friendly little announcement.
Good points.
Welcome to Birther-ville.
I was watching Mad-Cow Maddow last night along with Mrs. Boxer.
These two were rabidly attacking birther-isms to the extent that I was seriously wondering if they were covert right wing operatives. Talk about your useful idiots!
Anti-birthers really crack me up with their deranged rhetoric!
Yep. You treat communists with the decorum they deserve.
However Hawaii's laws required no “proof” of birth location (and could be issued to those born elsewhere)
As another poster noted yesterday - obama’s half-sister (known to be born in Indonesia) also received a COLB from Hawaii - why is that never pointed out by the lame-stream media?
Reports of microfilm copies in 2 HI Libraries are, I am told, accurate.
Nothing said about print copies. Microfilm would probably be harder to forge.
The birth announcement does not give the child’s name. Only the parents and a apparently false residence address.
Unless it was being orchestrated by Rahm Emmanel to try to marginalize those of us asking the question!!
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
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This is mirse.
You could be right.
So let's see who is right. Let Obama release his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate to see if there is or is not a doctor's signature and a hospital name.
However, if there is no doctor signature nor hospital name, then Hawaii officials and Obama have a lot of explaining to do.
That is, if Obama was not born in a hospital in Hawaii, then where was he born?
OK, I'll stop in & take a tour around Birthistan if you promise to come over & see us at "Transcripter-Town" and "Medical Recordser-Metropolis", and Adoptioner-Avenue" how's that? ;-)
I care not a whit about Mr. Emanuel's putative attempted marginalization: if he truly thinks that publicizing concerns about the Kenyan Clown's natural born citizenship status is wise, who am I to stop him? My own opinion is that such behavior wakes more questions than it quells.
Let as much publicity be generated as it can: we are starting to see some pushback from the ranks of the MSM, who are realizing that this is a freedom of information issue --- and one that is rooted in Constitutional concerns.
For the press to argue against freedom of information in such a vital matter only harms their own house: the Freedom of Information Act has been hailed for 30 years as the greatest tool of a free press. Arguing for suppression of information in such a vital matter is stupid beyond belief for the MSM who make their daily bread from such dissemination of information.
According to health record statistics, there were 8 births of children in 1961 not attended by a doctor, nurse or mid-wife in Honolulu County, Hawai’i.
FWIW, my older daughter was born at home and therefore has no hospital listed on her birth certificate.
Yes. The left knows that if we act like typical conservatives and just politically disagree with them over tea and crumpets, then we won't say anything when they do what they have done for decades - run right over the top of us!!
What is sparking outrage and angry responses from the left is that conservatives, independents, libertarians AND democrats are all standing up to them against this health care plan!! THEY can't deal with it so they respond with invective and more lies!!
When asking legitimate questions about the government that WE own sparks this type of response from our (so-called) "leaders", something is very, VERY wrong in Washington.
No he wouldn't. The law at that time said his mother was not old enough to pass her U.S. citizenship onto her son. His father was a British citizen from Kenya, so he couldn't pass U.S. citizenship onto zero either.
The only way zero is a U.S. citizen if he was born in Hawaii, but that does not make him NATURAL BORN.
At this juncture the biggest issue facing obama is that any “truth” that surfaces (regardless of what it is) is that obama will be shown as having lied to the American sheeple....
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