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To: Sola Veritas
I appealed to you, because you made the statement and interjected something into this discussion that was in no way related to it. You have labeled millions of people irrational because of your own bias.

If you felt he had a Romney agena, then say that, we would have all understood...and perhaps agreed, though I would wait for this poster to respond before I made such a judgement. You could easily have done that without casting so broad a net as to disparage millions.

I can tell you, I am LDS, but I was not born LDS, I made the decision and it was a rational and personal decision between me and my Maker 39 years ago...I do not foist it, or shove it on others. I do not wave it in front of others.

...and neither did this poster on this thread, irrespective of our disagreement on the issue he did raise on this thread.

I bear a simple witness to your statements about my faith, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, my redeemer and my only path to salvation, irrespective of what you may believe or say about it. In the end, I am grateful that He, a perfect Savior, will be the judge of my heart.

You may feel otherwise, but from my perspective, you have not gone for, or touched anything remotely close to the juglar. Your statements about my faith have no bearing on my heartfelt convictions. Sadly, they say more about you, than they do about me.

Again, I ask you to reconsider. It's up to you. I do not need to and will not ask a moderator. Your statements have dispareged me, my entire family, many of my freinds, and in truth, IMHO, anyone who values civil discourse, whether LDS or not.

Anyhow, I have said my peace on this, others may judge for themsleves the merits of each side.

127 posted on 08/05/2009 12:04:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head; All; Jim Robinson

“I bear a simple witness to your statements about my faith, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, my redeemer and my only path to salvation, irrespective of what you may believe or say about it. In the end, I am grateful that He, a perfect Savior, will be the judge of my heart.”

Once again my conscience will not allow me to let you have a free pass on that statement. One of the most despicable things about mormon teachings is how they use what sounds like “Christian” terms. However, they mean entirely different things to a Morman than to a true “Chrisitian.” That is why I call Mormonism “Chocolate covered poison.” Superficially it looks like the real stuff, but if you partake of it...it mean spiritual death. There are plenty of folks here on FR that have posted very long treatises on this.

“Again, I ask you to reconsider. It’s up to you. I do not need to and will not ask a moderator. Your statements have dispareged me, my entire family, many of my freinds, and in truth, IMHO, anyone who values civil discourse, whether LDS or not.”

I stand by what I have written. If saying the “truth” that your beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, are bogus and eternally dangerous is disparaging to you and yours. Then so be it. There are many out there, besides mormons, that then need to be so disparged.

I WILL say one thing that I want to make clear. I have no problem with you spreading what you believe (although I and others will challenge it...as my own beliefs are challenged here). Ultimately, what you believe, or don’t believe for that matter, is an individual “decision” between you and God (or whatever deity, or no deity, that someone subscribes to). I can’t make you believe or not believe anything. I can only spread what I believe is “true” Christianity and leave the persuasion up to the Holy Spirit.

Also, although I think Mormon theology to be fatally flawed and quite franky...damning. I can say that you will not find a more “morally” upright group of persons than genuine Mormons. The opposition to homosexual marraige in CA was a result of Mormons and Roman Catholics. I cannot help but appreciate that. I wished I could consider mormons Christians...but I know that would be a lie and a horrible disservice to you in God’s eyes. It gives me NO pleasure to have to say derogulatory things about Mormons.

Unfortunately, the “I’m OK and your OK” view of religious beliefs is dead wrong. It may make “peace” in this life, but it damns to hell many.


146 posted on 08/05/2009 2:42:01 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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