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To: Jeff Head; All; Jim Robinson

“I bear a simple witness to your statements about my faith, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, my redeemer and my only path to salvation, irrespective of what you may believe or say about it. In the end, I am grateful that He, a perfect Savior, will be the judge of my heart.”

Once again my conscience will not allow me to let you have a free pass on that statement. One of the most despicable things about mormon teachings is how they use what sounds like “Christian” terms. However, they mean entirely different things to a Morman than to a true “Chrisitian.” That is why I call Mormonism “Chocolate covered poison.” Superficially it looks like the real stuff, but if you partake of it...it mean spiritual death. There are plenty of folks here on FR that have posted very long treatises on this.

“Again, I ask you to reconsider. It’s up to you. I do not need to and will not ask a moderator. Your statements have dispareged me, my entire family, many of my freinds, and in truth, IMHO, anyone who values civil discourse, whether LDS or not.”

I stand by what I have written. If saying the “truth” that your beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, are bogus and eternally dangerous is disparaging to you and yours. Then so be it. There are many out there, besides mormons, that then need to be so disparged.

I WILL say one thing that I want to make clear. I have no problem with you spreading what you believe (although I and others will challenge it...as my own beliefs are challenged here). Ultimately, what you believe, or don’t believe for that matter, is an individual “decision” between you and God (or whatever deity, or no deity, that someone subscribes to). I can’t make you believe or not believe anything. I can only spread what I believe is “true” Christianity and leave the persuasion up to the Holy Spirit.

Also, although I think Mormon theology to be fatally flawed and quite franky...damning. I can say that you will not find a more “morally” upright group of persons than genuine Mormons. The opposition to homosexual marraige in CA was a result of Mormons and Roman Catholics. I cannot help but appreciate that. I wished I could consider mormons Christians...but I know that would be a lie and a horrible disservice to you in God’s eyes. It gives me NO pleasure to have to say derogulatory things about Mormons.

Unfortunately, the “I’m OK and your OK” view of religious beliefs is dead wrong. It may make “peace” in this life, but it damns to hell many.


146 posted on 08/05/2009 2:42:01 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
I accept your faith in and trust of Jesus Christ. If you cannot accept my plain language, straight forward pronouncements of faith in our Savior...that is your problem not mine.

I can tell you this, you do not know my heart, and the audacity of you trying to judge my own heartfelt convictions in my Savior Jesus Christ are misplaced...that's Jesus Christ born of mary, taken to Egypt when young to avoid Harrod, taught in the Temple in His youth, turned water into wine, healed the sick, raised the dead, taught the Gospel to and called his disciples...crucified for the sins of the worldand buried, rose the third day in a glorious resurrection and Who will return one day to bring peace to this Earth...do you get my point? The Jesus Christ I worship is the Son of the living God.

If you think that you can reach into my heart and pronounce judgements as you have done towards my faith, I tell you now, in all humility and truth, you are wrong.

What you are doing is disparaging and alienating people whom should be (and would be) your friends and allies if you would simply release your bias and judgements against them.

I tell you sincerely and with no animosity, that your judgements are wrong. All doctrinal issues aside, on the critical points of Jesus Christ, Him crucified, and Rededemer of the world, which in the end is the saving doctrine, which if sincerely held will bring men and women back to Him, we can be, and should be allies.

I was raised a southern baptist. I love my baptist friends, and have pastors and close friends and deacons in the church who know I am a Christian and have no problem voicing it. You know why? Because they know me and have seen me interact with others, including themselves out of my Christian faith.

Sorry to go on...but your judgemental pronouncements are so alien to what we as Christians ought to be doing together in this time of turmoil, that I could not help furthering my witness to you regarding the same.

II Chron 7:14 (I believe that, and am doing all I can to achieve it)

I will let is rest now. Say what you will...my statements and witness stand for themselves and others can also judge for themselves.

147 posted on 08/05/2009 3:17:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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