You want to say he wasn't born in Hawaii? Fine. Prove it (I don't think you can). But stop claiming that "natural born" means you have to have two citizen parents. It doesn't. It is settled law for the last 110 years.
The Constitution describes "natural born citizens" and "naturalized citizens" There are no other types. There is no method for a baby born in the US to be naturalized by having a citizen parent. So such children are NATURAL BORN citizens.
To be natural born you have to have one citizen parent who was a citizen for 5 years past his or her 14th birthday. Obama’s mother was only 18.
Fine. In that case 0bama should have no problem in showing all the vital records he is hiding from us.
This is the ruling that created the anchor baby nightmare.
If that is indeed settled law then that would be a useful simplification. ‘Natural born’ just meaning born in the USA.
Of course one would still need the Birth certificate: not just to prove the birth place, but also to check that neither of Obama’s parents were ‘foreign ambassadors’ or ‘alien enemies’
Because if Obama’s father turned out to be an alien enemy: e.g. a Jihadist or someone who defied the US Constitution - then by English common law Obama could not be natural-born.
Which is indeed a colossal can-of-worms. But if that’s the law then so be it. We need to start vetting the parents of everyone born in the US and make sure they swear an oath of allegiance to the Constitution.
Oh so this was a Supreme Court case involving someone running for President?
No of course it is not and as such has no bearing on the issue. For all we know the judge involved was just misusing the word. This case had nothing to do with the eligibility clause of the Constitution. Period.
Supporting the law equates being a lunatic like Rosie? If that's what you think of FReepers, then why are you here?
You want to say he wasn't born in Hawaii?
Obama could have been born in the WH. It still doesn't make him a nautral-born citizen eligible to be President.
Fine. Prove it (I don't think you can).
Not my job. Burden of proof is on your buddy Obama.
But stop claiming that "natural born" means you have to have two citizen parents.
Two natural-born U.S. citizens.
It doesn't. It is settled law for the last 110 years.
What law? Scottish law? Specter, is that you?
The Constitution describes "natural born citizens" and "naturalized citizens" There are no other types. There is no method for a baby born in the US to be naturalized by having a citizen parent. So such children are NATURAL BORN citizens.
You're wrong, and I'd destroy this argument further if it wasn't for me being on my lunch break. But (evil villian cartoon voice) I assure you my FReepers will complete my task!
Doesn’t matter if he was or he wasn’t, at the time of Fauxbama’s birth, his “father” if it was his father, was a citizen of Kenya... as such Fauxbama cannot be considered a natural born citizen. As no child of a parent with allegances to another nation is a natural born citizen.
Foreign, or Dual Citizenship of a parent precludes a child from being natural born under its very definition.
If a person becomes a citizen of another country, is he still eligible to be president, if he moves back? Especially if the person returning does not process the documents to become an official US citizen again?
If we could see his long form BC, and the paperwork he submitted to get into his first college, we’d be better able to determine his status.
But it’s not really about all that. Bush II had several memes or labels applied to him that he was hammered with 24/7. It hurt him and diminished his power. Thus the concept of attaching a meme, a concept, on the president was seen to work, have power, be effective politically. And since it was done consistently for 8 years (It’s Bush’s Fault, 911 plot, Bush Lied People Died, and a dozen more) whether or not there was truth behind the chanting, it must be OK, it must be an acceptable technique since few on the left or in the media complained about the massive disrespect or tried to change it.
So here is Saul Alinsky being read by conservatives, and golly listen to the left complain!
I don’t know ANYTHING about your president X.
I don’t know what his name is, or what is parents names were, where he was born, when he was born, who witnessed his birth...NOTHING.
And I don’t believe a single word he says, or anyone associated with him.
Because he’s a stinking liar.
But stop claiming that “natural born” means you have to have two citizen parents.
This is THE definition despite your prattling. Matters of foreign influence and interference were the reasons for the “natural born citizen” concept in the first place. If you do not have both parents as citizens, you run head long into the contradiction: Dual citizenship.
The founding fathers, unlike you and your ill informed ilk, knew what they were doing. Foreign influence was a problem then, and it is a problem now. SOMEONE has to protect the interests of this country against other countries. That buck stops with the president and that is why that person needs to be “natural born” - untainted by foreign influence.
The Constitution describes “natural born citizens” and “naturalized citizens” There are no other types. There is no method for a baby born in the US to be naturalized by having a citizen parent. So such children are NATURAL BORN citizens.
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Jeez - I LOVE it when people put their OWN spin on SCOTUS decisions ...
READ THE SCOTUS DECISION IN UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK !!!
RELEVANT EXCERPT:
” ... The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.
Order affirmed.”
NOW, WHERE does SCOTUS affirm that Ark is a “natural-born citizen” ???
NO WHERE !!!
It was Ark’s ATTORNEY who asserted that Ark was “natural-born”
The opinion DOES discuss the contradictions in historical common law (Roman, French, and British), BUT the opinion SIDESTEPPED the issue !!!
Per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born American citizen to serve as President. Barack Obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen. The law that applied during the time of Obama’s birth (in effect from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986) stated- “If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” We know that Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen (a British Colony) and his mother just 18 at Obama’s birth...” (thus, she would had to have been aged 21 in order for Obama to be eligible). John A. Bingham, primary framer, 14th Amendment, states- “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Obama himself has stated that he is the son of a Kenyan- Kenya being a foreign sovereignty. Thus, Obama is not a natural born citizen even if he were actually born in Hawaii.
Aside from that, I believe Obama was born in Kenya.
TO ALL:
Some may like this video:
Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
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If we admit that there are exceptions, then how is it determined which exceptions are or aren't constitutional?
I don't think you need to look beyond the Framers’ intent in regards to the Citizen Clause of the 14th Amendment. The author was Senator Jacob M. Howard and the Framers’ intent can be determined by reading the debate.
The understanding was that foreigners, aliens, Indians and ambassadors aren't citizens by being born on US soil. That status is determined by the status of the parents, obviously.
Wrong as usual. The holding or judgment in the case, the majority opinion, did not call Ark a Natural born citizen.