As I say, until Obama can demonstrate he was actually born in Hawaii, the case continues. But as far as being a natural born U.S. citizen, if he was born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born U.S. Citizen.
If anybody has any contrary points to be made along these lines, I would be glad to elaborate my thinking on the subject.
I will say, I do believe the correct definition of a "natural born" U.S. citizen is of being born of two U.S. citizens -- without question. But when only one parent is legally recognized, and that parent is a U.S. citizen, and the child is born in the U.S., the child is a "natural born" U.S. citizen.
ex animo davidfarrar
But when only one parent is legally recognized
This contradicts your premise so I don't know how you are proceeding with the argument.
NEWSPAPER “evidence” proves NOTHING, alas. The Mighty Media Monolith will print whatever they are PAID to print.
Do you believe that a child born of one US citizen parent is an American citizen?
Your supposition is based on the theory that the marraige between Obama’s parents would not have been legally binding in Hawaii at the time.
What is this theory based on?
If the marriage was not legally binding, why is there a divorce decree?
Why would not his father have been legally recognized? So what if they are not married. The citizenship of the father is known, he was still alive and present. It’s not like they have NO record ofthe father and therefore would only have the mothers’ citizenship to go by determining if he was natural born or not. I could see it might come into play if the father was unknown and/or not there. But this is not the case.
He is listed as the father on the birth certificate. Since when would the marital status change anything, he is his father whether they were married or not. Men are fathers if they have kids, just like women are mothers if they have kids. They may not be ‘husbands’ or ‘wives’, but they are fathers and mothers.
I don’t want to see a newspaper announcement or an online COLB. Just show us the birth certificate. How hard is that? Seriously.
Look, if he was born in the U.S, I think he was a citizen. My mother was not a citizen when I was born (although my father was not only a citizen of almost 30, but he was also a combat veteran U.S. Army officer), and I am a citizen.
I don’t know that a birth announcement in a newspaper proves anything if the parents could register the birth even if the birth didn’t take place in the U.S. (my understanding of Hawaii policy then). All the announcements I have seen in newspapers (for my son and for me- they had stopped them by the time my daughters were born) were from the hospital.
Who delivered Barak? Do we know or does anyone claim to be the doctor/nurse on call when he was supposedly born in some hospital in Hawaii? I would have to think that someone would remember delivering a child with the name Barak as it is not ordinary.
It makes no difference if the parents were US citizens or if they were married.
NOW WHICH OF THESE BLOCKS IS BARACK AFRAID TO SHOW THE CITIZENS OF THE USA??
1a. Child’s First Name
1b. Middle Name
1c. Last Name
2. Sex
3. This Birth – Single, Twin, Triplet
4. If Twin or Triplet Was Child Born – First, Second, Third
5a. Birth Date – Month, Day, Year
5b. Hour
6a. Place of Birth: City, Town or Rural Location
6b. Island
7a. Usual Residence of Mother: City, Town or Rural Location
7b. Island
7c. County and State or Foreign Country
7d. Street Address
7e. Is Residence inside City or Town Limits – If No, Give Judicial District – Yes, No
7f. Mother’s Mailing Address
7g. Is Residence on a Farm or Plantation – Yes, No
8. Full Name of Father
9. Race of Father
10. Age of Father
11. Birthplace – (Island, State or Foreign Country)
12a. Usual Occupation
12b. Kind of Business or Industry
13. Full Maiden Name of Mother
14. Race of Mother
15. Age of Mother
16. Birthplace – (Island, State or Foreign Country)
17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy
17b. Date Last Worked
18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant – Parent, Other
18b. Date of Signature
19a. Signature of Attendant – M.D., D.O., Midwife, Other
19b. Date of Signature
20. Date Accepted
21. Signature of Local Registrar
22. Date Accepted by Reg. General
One or more of these blocks having damning information to Barack. There is no other reason for him to refuse to release this document.
This would have given him at the least a dual citizenship.
Would it not?
Thank you, that’s wonderful!
Now, just have this Zer0 A-hole stop spending $100,000 per month to cover-up the issue, and have him spend $20 to show us his birth certificate!
At the time the Framers put the Constitution together, the citizenship of the mother was very much a secondary consideration. The crucial factor in determining the natural citizenship of the child was and should remain, the citizenship of the father, and the father only.
Here is definition of “natural born citizen” is that as written by Emmerich De Vattel in his “The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law” (1758):
“…natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owns to its own preservation: and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will only be the place of his birth, and not his country”.
The evidence that this is the definition that was understood by the Framers is quite convincing, but I won’t do more than just assert that notion here.
Bastardy is not an issue.
Yep.... Obama may be a natural born citizen after all, but then again he many not be.... Isn’t that still to be determine?
You may have stumbled upon the jaws of the trap.
2011 Presidential Address: “I am a bastard.” tears shedding. “I have fought the Republicans tooth and nail to keep my family’s shame from becoming public, but today they have won. I am now forced to admit that I was born out of wedlock.”
So either you're trolling or ignorant of all the myriad threads and videos out there that destroy your post.
obama’s mother wasn’t old enough to qualify under the law in effect at that time to grant obama natural born citizenship. As I understand it. I may have my facts slightly incorrect.
Right, well, maybe. The one exception to both parents being citizens would be if the father is unknown. But the father IS known, even though it’s questionable there was a genuine marriage. There might not have been any marriage, or that marriage may have been invalid as a bigamy. So much is unknown!
Nor is it certain he was born in Hawaii.
My best guess is he was born in Canada!
Nice to make a vanity on an issue that has been explained and explained and explained.
But let’s try once again.
Ok, you are incorrect that Obama would have been a “Natural Born Citizen” due to his mother being a US Citizen.
From 1952 to 1986, if a child is born to ONE US citizen and ONE NON-CITIZEN, citizenship will transfer AS LONG AS THE US CITIZEN HAS LIVED IN THE US FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS, FIVE OF WHICH OVER THE AGE OF 16 (or 14 as some legal scholars have said). EITHER WAY, OBAMA’S MOTHER WAS 18, not old enough to transfer citizenship ON HER OWN MERIT.
Therefore, Obama is ONLY a citizen of what nation his FATHER was. Being born here (or anchor baby) did not automatically apply until 1986. So some (and justifiably) have argued even if he was born here, he is still not even a citizen, much less natural born.
However I feel most would accept being born here. Unfortunately, Obama won’t even prove that. And I don’t mean show a computer document to a website. I can’t march into the DMV and demand a drivers license with information they can obtain by viewing a copy on a photobucket account I have.