Posted on 07/23/2009 8:07:18 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
Well thank you for explaining.
Alot of people are really confused. This is because the press intends it to be so. McCain's status was beautifully researched by the Washington Post. They had every record and document which McCain provided and the controversy was on the table for all to see because their work showed despite what McCain had said that the hospital he was born at wasn't in the Canal Zone.
If the Washington Post had given the Obama issue 10% of that effort they would come up with the colossal stick that we are confronted with right now. Obama is questionably a citizen at birth because of eye witnesses to his birth in Kenya, a British/Kenyan Citizen father which under British Law made Obama a British Subject, A fraudulent birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers about his birth (why use an address that the Obamas demonstrably did not live at.., gave up his citizenship when he moved to Indonesia and no papers are available to show when he re-acquired his US citizenship, he is rumored to have attended Occidental College using a foreign student scholarship and these records are unavailable. As well as his records for any other college he attended including Harvard. His draft registration seems to have been filed in 2008 despite it being dated in the 1980's.. it just gets sillier by the moment and still people are saying.. you can't say that.. you can't ask that.. everyone else has to answer these questions.. why not this man. Its beyond belief.
Yes, he was married to his first wife, a kenyan muslim.
I totally agree.
bttt
Would an official name change show up along with a birth certificate?
What if Obama’s mother officially changed his name, when she changed her own? What if Barack Obama is really Barry Soetoro, and he never officially changed it back?
THE DEFINITION OF A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” IS:
BORN IN THE USA OF TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS.
NOT, BORN IN THE USA OF TWO LEGALY MARRIED US CITIZEN PARENTS.
THE FATHER IS STILL THE FATHER, WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS LEGALY MARRIED TO THE MOTHER.
Speaking of “blowhards”, that’s a pretty furious rant for someone who acts as though he’s only quoting “the law”.
Here’s the thing. Way back before November 4th, the Obama bc controversy became an issue of enormous interest here on FR. Probably hundreds of thousands of people were glued to hundreds of threads on the topic, me included.
Tens of thousands of posts were generated in just a short time on that topic here, and an incredible amount of high quality information was shared. I ingested most of it, and retained the essence of the central arguments and revelations of fact that were laid out over, and over, and over again.
I didn’t study all of that information the same way that one would do to pass a bar exam, but I paid attention and learned a great deal. No, I don’t remember every exact case law, or historical precedent that underlie the full case against Obama’s eligibility. But, it’s all still here. Anyone, including you, can look it all up on this very site.
The Obama eligibility case has been hotly debated on FR by thousands of intelligent people, using known facts, and in the end, Obama was found to be ineligible to hold the office of President.
Honestly, I’m really not into fighting this issue all over again. As far as I’m concerned, the case was proved against Obama on FR before he was even sworn in.
Embarrassed about what? Too embarrassed to reveal his long-form birth certificate, which to my knowledge doesn’t even have a block that would reveal the fact that his parents may not have been married at the time of his birth?
1a. Child’s First Name
1b. Middle Name
1c. Last Name
2. Sex
3. This Birth – Single, Twin, Triplet
4. If Twin or Triplet Was Child Born – First, Second, Third
5a. Birth Date – Month, Day, Year
5b. Hour
6a. Place of Birth: City, Town or Rural Location
6b. Island
7a. Usual Residence of Mother: City, Town or Rural Location
7b. Island
7c. County and State or Foreign Country
7d. Street Address
7e. Is Residence inside City or Town Limits – If No, Give Judicial District – Yes, No
7f. Mother’s Mailing Address
7g. Is Residence on a Farm or Plantation – Yes, No
8. Full Name of Father
9. Race of Father
10. Age of Father
11. Birthplace – (Island, State or Foreign Country)
12a. Usual Occupation
12b. Kind of Business or Industry
13. Full Maiden Name of Mother
14. Race of Mother
15. Age of Mother
16. Birthplace – (Island, State or Foreign Country)
17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy
17b. Date Last Worked
18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant – Parent, Other
18b. Date of Signature
19a. Signature of Attendant – M.D., D.O., Midwife, Other
19b. Date of Signature
20. Date Accepted
21. Signature of Local Registrar
22. Date Accepted by Reg. General
I think there is far more to it than just the fact that Obama might have been born out out of wedlock.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Well, I would be interested in any legal and/or historical material you have on the subject. Please post them here.
Thank you.
ex animo
Davidfarrar
Thank you to YOU!
:-)
I enlisted in 1974. I guess that “the all-volunteer Army” was gettin’ persnickity.
“I would have to think that someone would remember delivering a child with the name Barak as it is not ordinary.”
And if so would probably be in their 80’s or dead.
Alzheimers makes it a bit hard to recollect. What were we talking about?
Aren’t the designations
“native born citizen” (born on our dirt)
and
“naturalized citizen” (born off of our dirt but with qualifications)?
I don't like being treated as ignorant especially in an area like law where I'm anything but an idiot. I have nothing to prove. I just suggested that whether you like it or not, people who are born here are natural born citizens regardless of the citizenship of their parents.
Thanks for your comments.
Thank you.
In such a case, even if a marriage license had been issued, it would not have been legally binding since polygamy was against Hawaiian state law at the time.
Now if, in fact, Barack Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii, and considering his upbringing in terms of his allegiance to this country, i.e., Obama Sr. having very little influence in Obama Jr’s upbringing, while his mother’s parents did, he just may be a natural born citizen.
Please note, I didn’t say he was. I am simply saying there is a possibility that he is a natural born citizen.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Thats kind of a neat way of putting it. Jus soli (is born on our dirt); jus sanguine (citizen of blood); and yes naturalization (born on someone else’s dirt but we adopted them).
So if it turns out that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born citizen, according to your interpretation of the law?
ex animo
davidfarrar
:-) I didn’t know those terms. Thank you.
(I’ve been accused of bein’ sanguine...but not jes’ sanguine!)
;-D
Relevant sections from Cook v Obama filed 7/24/09 Tampa Florida
113. Exhibit F, the expert affidavit of renowned forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, states that the certification of live birth posted by Mr. Obama as verification of his legitimacy, cannot be verified as genuine, and original birth certificate , currently in the vault of the Department of Health of the state of Hawaii needs to be examined.
114. This doubt is further reinforced by the fact that the Hawaiian statute 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates, that those birth certificates can be obtained based on a statement of one relative only without any corroborating evidence from the hospital; that “late birth certificates” (i.e. non-contemporaneously, post-facto, in two words “potentially fabricated”) can lawfully, under this statute, be obtained at any time later in life. 115. That is of paramount concern, as Barack Hussein Obama’s original birth certificate was never provided by the state of Hawaii, but only a statement that there is an original “long birth certificate” document on file.
116. The statement repeatedly provided by Hawaiian officials is quite simply incomplete, evasive, and without explanation of critical details: namely, whether it is a foreign birth certification or one obtained based on a statement of one relative only, or a late certification or amended one, obtained upon adoption by his stepfather. See Exhibit C: the Certification of Live Birth posted by Mr. Obama on the Internet, cannot be treated as genuine without examining the original on file with the Health department of the State of Hawaii. 117. In addition or in the alternative, Plaintiff submits that, absent clearly established and indisputable proof of constitutional right to serve as commander-in-chief, the army becomes merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen, in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment and that this Plaintiff is entitled to constitutionally complete and sufficient proof of his commander-in-chief’s eligibility and entitlement to serve in this capacity under Article I, §§1-2 prior to obeying orders from a man against whom mountains of evidence now exist (Exhibits E and F, and additional evidence which can be provided at the Preliminary Injunction hearing or in conjunction) to show that Barack Hussein Obama obtained the office of President without legal qualifications, and further that he did so by and through a continuous pattern and program of fraud and deceit.
118. There are several corrupt organizations involved, among them the Obama family, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Party organized in several states that has forwarded Barack Hussein Obama’s fraudulent campaign and quest for the Presidency.
122. Plaintiff submits and here asks this Court to find, declare, and hold that the requirement that the President of the United States be a natural born citizen, set forth in Article II, §1 of the Constitution, creates a “clearly established … constitutional right of which a reasonable person would have known.” Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 818.
123. The right in question which Plaintiff asks this Court to define and recognize as a matter of first impression should be defined either as the unilateral right to disobey or the right to seek a judicial injunction against the enforcement of orders given on the unproven de facto authority of a government headed by a man against whom such circumstantial and direct evidence implies high likelihood of fraud as the affidavit of Neal Sankey (attached as Exhibit E) can be assembled from public records alone.
125. Unlike the Federal officers in Wilson v. Layne who brought reporters along with them when they executed search warrants (526 U.S. 703 [1999]), there IS a simple consensus of authority on the question of the requirement that the President be a natural born citizen sufficient to provide a basis for a reasonable army officer to doubt that his country’s commander-in-chief might be accepted as legitimate outside the United States.
134. Plaintiff Cook found reason to doubt the legitimacy of the Commander-in-Chief, and demands proof, at the very minimum, of the Barack Hussein Obama’s constitutional legitimacy and eligibility, which is made more acute by the evidence of multiple addresses and social security numbers attached as Exhibit E, but is of great concern when paired with the January 21, 2009, Executive Orders attached as Exhibit G. 135. However, Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as President, basically needs only produce a single unique historical document for the Plaintiff’s inspection and authentication: namely, the “long-form” birth certificate which will confirm whether Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born to parents who were both citizens of the United States in Honolulu, Hawaii, in or about 1961.
136. It is no answer to show the short-form birth certificate which has no seals and is signed by no one and is produced, as most birth-certificates are, by computerized reproduction.
How is that for a start?
I misspelled it: jus sanguinis (of the blood).
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