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Russia abandons goal of Professional Army
Montrose Toast ^ | 22 July 2009 | DJ Elliott

Posted on 07/23/2009 2:31:22 AM PDT by DJ Elliott

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1 posted on 07/23/2009 2:31:22 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
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It appears that Russia is very cognizant of the growing problem in China. The “one child” law there has resulted in a ballooning population of males without female partners. I’m not sure at what point the 18-40 year old unnattached male population will reach critical mass, but I expect the Russians to be watching closely.


2 posted on 07/23/2009 2:50:56 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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If that was the issue, Russia would not be reducing from 1.34 million to 1 million in the army.

They are scrapping the professional contract soldiers and going all draftee.

This is a doubling of the draft while cuting 25 percent of the total numbers. Including eliminating the senior enlisted (Warrant) ranks and most of the contracted personnel.

The draft rate for this fall indicates the only professionals being retained are the commissioned officers. So the Russian Army reverts to a smaller form of its old inefficient Red Army...


3 posted on 07/23/2009 3:09:36 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
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Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought the Russian goal was for a volunteer army but has now reverted back to a conscripted one, thereby setting up the bureaucracy needed to acquire bodies to throw at bodies.
4 posted on 07/23/2009 3:16:20 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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I think they are doing this also because as current demographic trends continue, the all volunteer army would be majority Muslim by 2015.

The Russians are frightened to death of this prospect. At least now, with the Draft, they can get Ethnic Russians in the Army at greater numbers than they would otherwise.

China will own half of Russian in 50 years without firing a shot. The other half will be controlled by Radical Muslims.

5 posted on 07/23/2009 3:31:38 AM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: Roccus

The bureaucacy never went away.

They are cutting the army by 25 percent by 2012.

And at the same time eliminating the senior NCO ranks (Warrants).

Plus eliminating the proffesional mid-range enlisted and technical.

They are reverting back to a mob that cannot function without officers. Which means kill the officers and you have won.

At the same time China is increasing its professional cadre.

It takes two years to train a soldier. The draft is for only 18 months in Russia. And they are eliminating the senior enlisted that should be there to train them at the same time.

This is a cost cutting measure. Nothing more. Draftees cost less. That is because they are nothing more than cannon fodder that barely know which way the bullet goes...


6 posted on 07/23/2009 3:52:52 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
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By comparison, the US still has selective service if needed.

And we have the professional, experienced cadre to train and lead them in a mobilization.

Do you know why the US Army has twice as many officers per troop than the USMC? Mobilization cadre. In a full mobilization each army/reserve/Guard division is cadre for two divisions with the draftees filling them out.

Plus their are additional divisions in the reserve/guard that are designated as cadre. They are ment to be filled out with draftees in an emergency.

Draftees are easy. Building the leadership and training cadre for that force is the expensive, hard, and time consuming part.

Without that cadre, who cares how many you can draft? They will have no leadership or trainers and will be ineffective.

The Russians are throwing out the baby and keeping the dirty bathwater...


7 posted on 07/23/2009 4:17:01 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
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OK. I obviously didn’t get the gist of the article.


8 posted on 07/23/2009 4:27:22 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: wmileo
China will own half of Russian in 50 years without firing a shot. The other half will be controlled by Radical Muslims.

Eerily similar to what is going on right here in the good old USA, except it won't take 50 years for China to own half of the USA. It's happening now......with our gubmint's blessings......

9 posted on 07/23/2009 5:13:43 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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I believe I read a few weeks back that if the Chinese called in all of our debt they own, they would own 40% of the US.

So doing some figuring, and finagling - would it be possible to extinguish our debt by giving them the 40% in Liberal only areas? Detroit, LA, SanFran, and so on? We'd take Alaska, Texas and others.

10 posted on 07/23/2009 5:25:28 AM PDT by PIF
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If we stay militarily strong china won't own anything. Demographics is the important thing in play. That is why they will occupy(better word) half of Russia in 50 years. With the lowest birth rate, highest abortion rate and highest male mortality rate in the European/Asian Continents, there won't be any Russians left to stop them.

China can only make money if we buy their lead poising crap. China won't want to tangle with gun toting Americans any time. The Government can't give away that.

11 posted on 07/23/2009 5:33:20 AM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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What would China do with Detroit, LA and SF?

They may be murdering Communist filth but they are not stupid.

12 posted on 07/23/2009 5:36:09 AM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: DJ Elliott

Russia is reducing to 1 million in its ACTIVE army. Russia possesses a very large reserve component (5-15 million able to be called up quickly). The draft is to help fill this reserve force.


13 posted on 07/23/2009 9:48:18 AM PDT by Thunder90
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Actually the Chinese PLA is making cutbacks in its officer corps and active duty forces. They are trying to make it professional just like the Russians. However, the Chinese still use draftees and have a large reserve component.


14 posted on 07/23/2009 9:50:16 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: wmileo

Simple. They’d have more leftists for their collection and we’d have fewer. :)


15 posted on 07/23/2009 2:08:41 PM PDT by PIF
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The problem is that they are eliminating the contract soldiers and their senior enlisted ranks.

They are reverting to the officers and draftees only model.

That is a reversal of the policy of the last two decades to professionalize the Red Army...


16 posted on 07/23/2009 8:12:35 PM PDT by DJ Elliott
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This could mean that they are preparing for something.


17 posted on 07/23/2009 9:03:18 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: wmileo
I think they are doing this also because as current demographic trends continue, the all volunteer army would be majority Muslim by 2015.

What are you talking about? There are 142 million people in Russia, out of which only 15 million muslims.

China will own half of Russian in 50 years without firing a shot. The other half will be controlled by Radical Muslims.

No it won't. Population decline in Russia has been stoped under Putin's rule, but more importantly, Russia has existed for centuries and centuries besides Chinese, muslims and other nations and is used to be heavily outnumbered. It seems to me that people on this board are projecting their own fears onto Russia.
18 posted on 07/24/2009 1:42:23 AM PDT by RolandOfGilead
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To: Thunder90

It is cost cutting. And dumb cost cutting.

They are reducing size and capabilities of the force.
They are eliminating the professional army.

This is a reversion to the old system under the USSR where officers had to do the work US NCOs do because the ranks were all draftees including the sgts.


19 posted on 07/24/2009 4:51:07 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
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To: RolandOfGilead

You might want to review your history.
Russia’s history of coexistance is conquer or be conquered.

http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/rus.html


20 posted on 07/24/2009 4:54:59 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
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