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OOPS--->Model Used to Predict Global Warming is All Wrong !
Journal of Nature Geoscience/The Lid ^ | 7/15/09 | The Lid

Posted on 07/15/2009 11:06:21 AM PDT by Shellybenoit

A new study published in the Journal of Nature Geoscience may have figured out why global temperatures keep falling much to the chagrin of the "Church of Global Warming Moonbats." Their entire model was all wrong.

According to the Article:

We conclude that in addition to direct CO2 forcing, other processes and/or feedbacks that are hitherto unknown must have caused a substantial portion of the warming during the Palaeocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum. Once these processes have been identified, their potential effect on future climate change needs to be taken into account.

In English, it is saying that around 55 Million years ago there was a major incident of Global Warming 55 million. This warming happened at the same time as a massive injection of carbon into the atmosphere. Scientists have used this information to create a the model used to predict the global warming that will occur via our collective carbon footprints. The problem is scientist now say that warming was much greater than one can expect from the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide alone.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: capandtrade; co2; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hoax

1 posted on 07/15/2009 11:06:23 AM PDT by Shellybenoit
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To: Shellybenoit

Garbage In=Garbage Out


2 posted on 07/15/2009 11:07:56 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Shellybenoit

These models aspparently cannot rain into account.... how accurate can they be?


3 posted on 07/15/2009 11:10:26 AM PDT by GeronL (UnitedCitizen.Blogspot.Com --------- United Citizens Nation! ------------- Join Today!)
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To: Shellybenoit

ping


4 posted on 07/15/2009 11:11:39 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: Shellybenoit

Bump for later


5 posted on 07/15/2009 11:20:56 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Shellybenoit

With the alleged fall of communism (actually, they just swapped their uniforms for blue suits, tucked their pistols into their waistbands and changed their names — and darned if one didn’t move into the White House!), the Globull Elite needed a new BOOGEYMAN with which to frighten and control the dumb masses (say it fast for maximum effect): THE ECOLOGY and MAN CAUSED GLOBULL WARMING GOT THE NOD!

Oh yeah, I forgot the cool part about picking the pockets of the wealthier nations to enrich some of these global elitists and their leading drum major, Algore, while bleeding the nasty old United States white. (PAGING ALGORE – PAGING ALGORE…log into your dozen bank accounts ASAP. They are WAAAYYYY over the FDIC insurance limit! Username reminder: FREAKING_PHONEY/Password reminder: Village_idiot)

The elitists’ ultimate goal in this man-caused GLOBULL WARMING HYSTERIA is to level the nasty old U.S. with the Turd World despotisms with which we are to be merged into their New World Odor (misspelling intentional) where TADA (trumpet fanfare here!), the GLOBULL ELITES will BE IN CHARGE.

And to reinforce the point, old Algore – ripping a page from the Joe Biden Foot in Mouth playbook or, in the alternative, displaying a level of brazenness reflective of the ignorance and apathy among the elitists’ soon to be serfs/slaves (that’d be the rest of us) — recently offered that Cap and Trade would be the final step in destroying any remaining American sovereignty and haul us once and for all into his longed for global governance.

TWO VIDEOS FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT (until Algore gets them pulled):

This one is about the 30,000 climate scientists who want to SUE GORE for FRAUD and runs about 5 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=player_embedded

THIS video is the blockbuster film “The Great Global Warming Swindle” and runs 1 hour, 45 minutes (get comfortable, grab a stiff libation and prepare to become progressively more angry. Suggest you remove all throwable items from the area.)

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=288952680655100870&hl=en&fs=true

“If you’re happy and you know it CLANK YOUR CHAINS…”

Questions??


6 posted on 07/15/2009 11:33:42 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: Dick Bachert
PAGING ALGORE – PAGING ALGORE…log into your dozen bank accounts ASAP. They are WAAAYYYY over the FDIC insurance limit! Username reminder: FREAKING_PHONY /Password reminder: Village_idiot

LOL

7 posted on 07/15/2009 11:39:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Still waiting for journalists to ask Obama how he'll heal a deeply divided nation-FreeperOldDeckHand)
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To: GeronL

Come again?


8 posted on 07/15/2009 11:50:22 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Shellybenoit

...................never mind.


9 posted on 07/15/2009 11:52:34 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: jonno

If your computer model for the climate does not take precipitation, rain-snow, into account, how could it ever be accurate?


10 posted on 07/15/2009 11:54:33 AM PDT by GeronL (UnitedCitizen.Blogspot.Com --------- United Citizens Nation! ------------- Join Today!)
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To: Shellybenoit

Bookmark bump.


11 posted on 07/15/2009 11:56:56 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Shellybenoit

Memo this to Barry, Gore, the Dems, and RINOs who are for the Cap and Tax Bill.

Junk Science Ping!


12 posted on 07/15/2009 11:58:23 AM PDT by cranked
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To: GeronL

Hello?


13 posted on 07/15/2009 11:59:35 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Shellybenoit

14 posted on 07/15/2009 12:01:38 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Shellybenoit
This means that either scientists are over predicting the future rise in temperatures from CO2 or something other than carbon dioxide created the temperature rise.

Like maybe that big yellow thing star rises in the morning and sets in the evening?

15 posted on 07/15/2009 12:19:04 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Shellybenoit
Of course it's wrong. And even if it were "right", ALL models based on differential equations have implicit assumptions built in. You can have a perfectly splendid model which gives very accurate results WITHIN the scope of assumptions and it will STILL go bad on you outside those limits.

I try to be very patient explaining this to people with no mathematics background. But try explaining it to some idiot with a masters in French art appreciation who thinks they're saving the world... It's as futile as trying to sell soap to a drug-fried hippy.

There is no excuse at all for someone with a "math" or "science" background trying to pass this crap off as "settled", much less having the stones to support it as the basis for public policy.

You can take this to the bank: If you see a "scientist" who says man made global warming is killing the planet, he's one of two things - either he's lying about his qualifications to make that statement - or he's got another agenda he's not willing to be upfront about. In either case, don't leave your children alone in a room with him.

16 posted on 07/15/2009 1:34:23 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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don’t know what u are talking about? it has been raining for days, we don’t have a yellow thing in the sky


17 posted on 07/15/2009 5:58:34 PM PDT by Shellybenoit (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com)
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To: LTCJ
I meant to add that the basis for the models for CO2 involvement being used to predict runaway warming employ boundary conditions that are clearly unrealistic. The catch is that those assumed conditions are hidden - they're not obvious from examining the differential equations' solution.

And the solution is OLD. If I'm correct in recalling, the original solution was derived back in the '30's. The problem is that the result has been used (without the assumptions accompanying them for the most part) for almost 80 years and the details, though available, have largely been forgotten. It is the incorrect application of this solution, OUTSIDE the limits of the assumptions, that leads to unbounded positive feedback (runaway warming).

Here's the kicker. In the last few years a new solution has been derived for the differential equations which use realistic boundary conditions (no small mathematical feat in itself). The result? Self-limiting feedback which yields very, very small warming of less than a degree C no matter how much CO2 you pump into the system.

Global warming is not killing us, it's the FEAR of global warming being used to force STUPID actions that has the potential to kill America.

18 posted on 07/15/2009 6:49:18 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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To: LTCJ

BTT


19 posted on 07/16/2009 9:41:19 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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