Posted on 07/08/2009 1:40:58 PM PDT by buszero
We’ve all seen the disappearance of the word “terrorism” since Obama came to power. Such is the case with the Uyghurs.
Do you remember when Bush was President, and he went to China for the Olympics last year? The terrorist threat that the Chinese government was facing was that the terrorist Uyghurs were going to attack.
The American media and the leftist intellectuals have been out to de-bunk the fact that many factions of the Uyghurs are terrorists. This is consistent with the recent appeasement that the Obama Administration has been doing such that they will not use the words “War on Terror” with our mainstream media.
At this point, we have to realize that the media are going to use the words “human rights,” “democracy,” and “freedom” to label the Uyghur movement in an attempt to convince us to be on their sides. Their tactics will also include trying to somehow build on the emotions of Tiananmen Square that had been previously built up. Don’t fall for it.
The fact is that many factions of Uyghurs (they are often spread apart doing different things) have long been recognized as “terrorists” within the country of China and even the United States because of their long-time involvement with Al-Queda through the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM). None of us want to deal with terrorism in our own country as expressed when Congressman Frank Wolf (R-VA) expressed deep concern to having Guantanamo Uyghurs come to the United States. These factions of Uyghurs are recognized this way because they DO have this connection despite the recent media flip-flop that we’re all hearing now to appease them.
In this appeasement, they are going to tell you that Uyghurs are a people who have been suppressed. Is this true? Have you ever heard that the people of China are promoted to only have one child? This is ONLY true if you are ethnically “Han.” There are many other “minority” races in China who are allowed to have as many kids as they want, and this includes the Uyghurs. Uyghurs and other minority races are actually looked to be preserved by the Chinese government.
In examining the Chinese government, we cannot overlook the following facts:
1. Calvinism is the fastest growing religion in China.
2. China is working towards a freedom of the press.
3. We all know about its capitalism.
4. President Hu Jintao has long been “promoting Party leaders from northwest China (including Tibet and Xinjiang) to important positions in the Beijing government over the last year, much to the displeasure of the traditional East-coast power base of the party.”
5. Keep in mind that less than three years ago, Xinjiang was a region that was hard-hit by drought in the past couple of years, and the Chinese government bailed them out of that too.
Does this formula look familiar to you? It sounds like solid conservative principles of really working towards freedom, liberty, and capitalism, doesn’t it? For China to have risen out of being a nation of peasants to become what it today is a sign of progress, and “progress“ is the keyword in this case. Hence, it is true that they are not as lucky as we are to have had Jefferson in their history. Nobody is that lucky but us.
The bottom line is, President Hu Jintao knows what he’s doing a lot more than Obama or this media do, and he’s proven it. Let him do his thing while we ignore the Obama Infomercials that are shoved in our faces about how peaceful terrorists are and that they should be appeased. We’re not lame enough to see these as violent acts where hundreds of people are killed over a minority claiming that they are a suppressed people. So, please just sit back and watch this situation while negating the leftist exploitations and misinterpretations of this violence. We all know how wrong they are anyways.
As of right now, we must concentrate on Health Care, Energy, Banking, Housing, and now Honduras. We should not let this Uighur problem in China distract us from the true stories of the day like the Michael Jackson story did.
*Sidenote: Do you notice how the old spelling of the name “Uyghurs” is now changed to “Uighurs?” Do you think that people are trying to manipulate the web and database searches on this information because the old articles are too conservative by describing these people as “terrorists?”
I am confused, is this sarcasm?
No, I’m serious. I come from a family that once ran away from Mao. It’s not their fault that they are overpopulated and that they have a Socialist system of government as of right now. And you have to look at the facts as to what the Chinese government is working towards. They are NOT Fidel Castro. And what they are CLEARLY working towards is OUR conservative principles. Ask yourself, “why is it that when you look for articles on this topic, it’s all advertising on how Uyghurs are not terrorists?” This has clearly changed from what we saw reported when Bush went to China for the Olympics. Hasn’t it?
As usual with the Left, it's lies wrapped in partial truths. As an example, Calvinism is indeed growing rapidly in China. However, the government will arrest any Chinese national found advocating Christianity to others. I lived in China for two years and while there attended a nondenominational Christian church. However, only those who were in China on a passport were allowed to attend. Chinese nationals were not allowed.
About western China; it's referred to by the Chinese as the semi-autonomous provinces, for good reason. The Chinese Leadership has long been scared witless that this area would explode. The problem is that while there is rapid economic growth and prosperity on the eastern Pacific rim the far western provinces are profoundly poor. The Chinese government has been offering incentives for western industry to locate mfg plants out in these areas but there is not the infrastructure to support said facilities, such as roads, airports, electricity, water and other accommodations required for industry. The world wide recession of course has not helped of course. Concerning the Uighurs; maybe we should subscribe to the philosophy of "my enemies enemy is my friend"? Maybe we should ship the Uighurs imprisoned at GITMO back to western China so that they can facilitate a revolt and cause China some serious misery? This would certainly put China's expansionist aspirations of the back burner for awhile I think.
As Christians, we want everybody to do well. I don’t think it’s a matter of putting anyone’s aspirations on the back burner if those aspirations are for the principles of freedom, liberty, capitalism, and Christianity. If you go to my site and look up this blog, I have the links to articles that show them working towards freedom of the press by allowing even foreigh press to cover the Uighur story. This is unprecedented for China. I don’t have to tell you about their capitalism. I also have the one for Calvinism. I would much rather have them as an ally, and that is, an ally with the same principles as listed above. Wouldn’t you agree that they’ve come a long way in doing this and that terrorism in general is one of the important things that we should be fighting?
I'm afraid this is for real. The Chinese really think they're God's gift to the Uighurs.
What you’re criticizing is the structure of how they’ve built their economy. It is true that many areas have remained poor. Let me give you a bit of history:
After the emporer was overthrown, they went to Communism. Mao’s problem was mass-famine. In the 1970’s, they had gotten a system in place where everbody was fed, but their problem was that they needed to make progress. Deng Xiao Ping had engineered a way of modeling the economies of large cities such as Beijing and Qingdao after Hong Kong. The moneys from this would attract people from rural areas, and it worked to a great extent. The problem that you’re talking about stems from China being so big in the first place that it obviously couldn’t cover all bases even with this great model.
It’s not a matter of being a gift. It’s a matter of doing what’s right and what’s practical. Are you telling me that it’s practical to promote violent terrorist acts that get hundreds of people killed and people have to live in fear of terrorism?
What would be practical would be for China to keep 90% of East Turkistan and return to the Uighurs 10% of their ancestral lands so they can have their own independent country. But China will not, of course, do this - since any land that Chinese troops have occupied must forever remain Chinese territory. (It's a Chinese rather than a Communist thing - Chiang Kai Shek wanted to hang on to Burma after WWII).
Terrorism would be a problem by doing that because they would be creating and bordering a country that would be a breeding ground for terrorism. So far, the best thing to do in preventing this HAS BEEN to have China control this region.
A better solution would be to return to the Uighurs 100% of their ancestral lands, but I only proposed 10% because it might be acceptable to folks like you. Russia gave their Turkic minorities their independence in 1989 and we've never heard anything about these people organizing terrorist attacks against Russia since, have we? The Uighurs, like anti-Soviet Afghans before them, are only fighting for independence.
Islam is today mostly a peaceful religion. It hasn't always been that way, and the holy books certainly spout a substantial amount of fire and brimstone. There are tens of thousands of religious zealots who happen to believe that the way to heaven (and 72 virgins) is to kill an infidel. But the numbers are minuscule relative to the total population of Muslims in this world. Do they hold views seriously antagonistic to our own? Absolutely. But so do the vast majority of the Chinese I have encountered. In fact, I've spoken to individual Chinese who have said that it is their desire to see in their lifetime the nuclear destruction of Washington DC (which they see as revenge for Western victories over Chinese forces during the 19th century, including some near the Chinese capital). In the virulence of their hatred of America, I see no difference between Muslims and the Chinese. The main difference is this - China is a unified state of 1.3b people with a GDP fast closing on our own, where the Muslim states are a bunch of squabbling languages, ethnicities, races and nationalities. The Chinese are making a bid to control the entire Western Pacific. Muslims are barely moving to control their home waters, and most of their claims are against other Muslim states. And ultimately, Islam is a lot closer to Christianity than the cult of Han Chinese supremacy and universal empire.
I don’t know if you know why the problem of terrorism has been kept to a minimum in this particular region, but it is due to how the Uighurs have been managed. I know that you would love to hide the fact that there have been a few cases of stabbings of Chinese soldiers by the Uighurs. The nature of these people prove that what you are claiming as the problem is actually the solution to the terrorism problem. Also, it doesn’t take much to organize terrorists. 911 proved that. As an American, I would never forget that.
Killing soldiers and government figures is what guerrilla movements do. During their war against the Japanese empire (i.e. Sino-Japanese War), Chinese guerrillas killed a lot of Japanese and Chinese civilians, in addition to Japanese soldiers. Would you call these killings proof that China had no right to exist as a country and a reason that Japan should continue ruling China?
“Let me give you a bit of history:”
Thank you for the history lesson. However, having returned recently from a two year stint in China, during which I traveled extensively about the country, what I state is fact, not hisory.
I know that we are in a time of war, and that in times of war, Muslims can lie, even under oath. What you have written is a bunch of lies. I’ve been back to China a lot, and I’ve never heard anyone say that they want to see the destruction of Washington DC. They don’t even care about anything but their own livelihoods, and you’re telling me that they want to see the destruction of Washington DC? LOL. Yeah, right!
And as for your claim of China wanting to control the entire Western Pacific, let me just ask you, when have they colonized anyone in the past 50 years? They’ve only taken back Hong Kong and Macau because those leases were up, and they haven’t done anything but maybe loosing up the borders a bit to traffic and defend those two territories. Other than that, they haven’t even touched the currencies.
Now, your claim actually applies to the Muslims who are super-wealthy and manipulating the stupid leftist Americans who keep us from drilling. Did you know that Donald Trump has even come out to say that OPEC keeps the oil in ships right off our coasts? They drill the oil for like $2 a barrel, and we’re at $70 a barrel. Tell me that your claim about making a bid to control the Western Pacific does not apply to the Muslims. LOL.
What Prince Alwaleed and his Kingdom Holdings (who also own Citibank) do is to have a universal empire. China has kept to itself and has done nothing but make money. That’s it. You’re picking on the wrong people. LOL.
I happen to go there a lot too. And I’ve been going there regularly since 1983, so I’ve pretty much seen them grow from the ground up. I just don’t agree with you on saying that they have those kinds of aspirations. All they care about is making money. Wouldn’t you agree with that?
Japan never completely ruled China. They only took over parts of it. And it was also a war. It’s different. You’re comparing apples to oranges. You would also overlook the human experiments had done on Chinese people and concentration camps that the Japanese had. I know you would think it’s great to do that to people, but I would truly disagree with you.
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