You crackerhead birthers can't touch me, I won!
Posted on 06/19/2009 5:16:14 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer
Ping to an important article.
Thank you for this link, BuckeyeTexan.
From the source:
“So far, the Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.”
Assuming that statement is true:
Unfortunately for us, our negligent Congress sat on their hands during the Jan 8 Joint Session and, notwithstanding the well-publicized fact that O’s father was a citizen of Kenya, confirmed the results of the Nov 4 election.
The fact the Congress is well populated with “esteemed” attorneys and former judges who must believe “citizen parents” is not an element of the natural born status will undoubtedly give the USSC an out.
Fortunately for us, O’s qualifications will fail nonetheless.
I have one nitpicky beef with this document: I consider myself a birther, and I do not think Obama is ineligible to serve; rather, I think it is not yet established whether he is eligible or ineligible. IMO, this latter conclusion is easier to support with the currently known evidence.
Other that that, excellent.
“this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.”
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This part worries me...:0/
You crackerhead birthers can't touch me, I won!
Thanks for the ping. I’ve read through the entire thing. Lots of good research there, and a very clear statement of the case.
It leaves out some issues, of course, that are relevant to the case but not to this discussion, such as the fact that the on-line COLB is evidently a forgery. But it goes into the legal background in great and useful detail.
I am not entirely sure that the State of Hawaii would not have been willingly complicit with faking birth certificates at that time. A lot of Asian residents gained citizenship in that way, through the legal fiction that they were born in Hawaii when in fact it was known that they were not. Hawaii has its own peculiar history, and that appears to have affected their handling of birth records in some unusual ways. So I don’t think complicity or legal fiction can be ruled out, but the scenario given is perhaps equally likely.
Also, the article never raises the issue of relinquishment of American citizenship for Indonesian citizenship. But that, too, is not immediately germane to what is being discussed.
In other words, the case made here is not, and is not meant to be, complete, but it is very helpful on the legal record of what it means to be a natural born citizen.
I’m with you. I can’t say conclusively that he’s ineligible, but I think there is clear and convincing evidence that several questions remain unanswered. Since those questions are unanswered and the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, I think the controlling legal authority should investigate the issue and resolve it a) before another presidential election and b) before we’re so far down the road of unintended consequences with the current resident of the WH that we can’t undo it. (We may already be past that point.)
I agree completely. It seems, though, that no-one is willing to bell the cat.
At a minimum, I would encourage the author to fully investigate the facts surrounding how a newly-elected U.S. senator is issued a burgundy-colored passport identifying him/her as an official of the United States. We know that Obama had a blue, civilian passport and that that passport was replaced when he became a U.S. senator.
I’d like to know if he was simply issued a new passport for official travel or if he was required to provide documentary evidence to obtain the official passport. If he was required to provide documentation, what did he provide?
- The signed certificate from the Illinois Secretary of State indicating that he had been duly elected and was eligible to serve?
- A signed certificate from the U.S. senate upon being sworn in and seated as a senator?
We know the requirements for obtaining a civilian passport. We don’t believe the short-form Hawaiian COLB is sufficient to obtain a civilian passport. So we want to know if his civilian passport was from the U.S. or Indonesia.
What are the requirements for obtaining a U.S. official’s passport? Maybe I’ll just look that up. Now I’m really curious.
As it says, a primer, a good intro to your doubting friends and anyone, the 30%) who don't seem to be aware of it. . Pass it on.
The issue is not going away.
What is He Hiding and Why?
As it says, a primer, a good intro to your doubting friends and anyone,(the 30%) who don't seem to be aware of it. . Pass it on.
The issue is not going away.
What is He Hiding and Why?
Hugh obumpa to the top!
Excellent Primer
Pinged trolls too. LoL!
Yep. And I dang well expect LL, N-S, & mlo to represent our opinions properly from now on - even though they disagree with us. Or they’11 be hearin’ from me. (I’m sure they’re skeered!)
I found out that the U.S. passport agency issues official and diplomatic passports to government officials through the travel office of the corresponding government agency. So Obama’s (burgundy) official passort would have been issued through the U.S. Senate’s travel office. (I’ll call for more details on Monday.) The specific government agency’s travel office provides its employees with the passport application forms which document the requirements for obtaining an official’s passport.
I also found out that government officials still retain their blue civilian (tourist) passport. It isn’t “replaced.” Officials may travel with their government passport ONLY when on official state business. So if they’re in Europe for official business but want to pop over to Paris for the weekend, they must use their civilian passport to go to Paris.
Ping to #29 and #37. Good information here.
Thanks BuckeyeTexan.
Does the travel office then verify the information or do they rely on the applicant to tell the truth?
Since Gibbs stated that “they” posted the COBL on the internet, it’s time to bring charges of fraud against “they” - AKA Bambi and Co.
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