To: Squantos
Excellent info. especially about the rubber checkered grip for concealed carry. Only thing I would like to add is, those who take the advice of going to a firearm instructor for training, if they don’t mention it, ask about weapon retention especially in the case of an attempted gun grab. Keeping your weapon in your hands only if you ever have to draw it is a good thing. In fact that goes for any defensive weapon.
To: appleseed
Agree 100% !!
I am retired military now, no longer a sheriffs deputy and carry for self defense only , aside from my contractor work so I pack a chamber empty, magazine loaded, Glock 31 most of the time just Mexican or cavalry carry inside my waistband with a spare mag in the ruler pocket of my carpenter jeans. I got to attend some schools when active duty with the IDF and really like the way they carry and present their handguns from a chamber empty condition. My choice as my primary self defense is awareness of my surroundings and willing to use a Cummins 2500 Dodge 4x4 to run away from or run down an aggressor before I shoot one if possible. Insurance covers vehicle accident much easier......:o)
as always my sidearm is a last resort when all else has failed me ......!!!
Stay safe Sir !
124 posted on
06/17/2009 8:58:57 PM PDT by
Squantos
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To: appleseed; Squantos
Retaining the weapon is important, and more difficult than people would like to think. Most people think they're going to draw and point the weapon and the badguy at the other end is going to wither in fear. But what if he doesn't?! I've got a friend about an hour from where I live who's a former USN/SEAL who trains HRT/SRT shooters and he showed us how to effectively keep somebody from taking a weapon from you. A lot of it is simply in keeping the weapon CLOSE. But he had us practice trying to take the weapon from each other. One of the things he had us do was this...
Designate an aggressor and a defender. The defender should have his/her preferred PDW carried as usual but UNLOADED.
The aggressor positions himself 20 feet behind the defender and both defender and aggressor start walking in the same direction. But at some point, the aggressor is going to move quickly toward the defender.
If the aggressor overtakes the defender before he/she can retrieve the weapon and simulate shooting him twice, then the defender loses and the aggressor wins! If 20 feet is too close (and it usually IS for starters!), then increase it to 30 feet or more. In my case, I thought I was going to be a hotshot and ended up having the aggressor at 45 feet before I was successful! I SUCKED! :-)
The first day we practiced this, I ended up in the dirt most of the time with the aggressor and me both trying to gain control of the weapon. But after some practice I was able to retrieve the weapon and show that I could have used it before the aggressor actually "touched" me.... even though he was practically in my lap when I pulled the trigger!
We had a couple of guys one day who went with us and thought it was going to be easy. My 14 year old disarmed each one of them three times in a row!...starting at 20 feet. Finally, when one of them did manage to retrieve the weapon and point it before my son had him on the ground, my son reached out with his left hand and grabbed the top of the slide of the semi-auto pistol (a Glock) and just leaned into him....pushing the slide back enough to take the pistol out of battery. The guy wasn't thinking and didn't have the presence of mind to just fall back and shoot on the way down. He panicked and simply continued trying to pull the trigger!...but it simply was not going "snap"!...because the pistol was held out of battery by my son's hand! As he panicked, my son reached down to the side of his pocket and opened a Kershaw assisted-opening knife just to "illustrate" what could happen. ...and that was the end of that drill! Of course nobody was hurt, and we all had fun!...but it's a good reminder of our own imagined skills, in contrast with REALITY. :-)
When the defender thinks he's doing pretty good, you add TWO aggressors! :-) I have a tactic that works really well in that instance....RUN!!!...stop/turn and SHOOT....the closest one first. Or stop and drop quickly and cause the aggressor to just trip over you...then "shoot" them as they're getting back up! We practice this on grass. I would imagine that you'd get fairly skinned up if you practiced on concrete or asphalt!
These are good ways to practice things that most people don't give a lot of thought to. Too many people think that they're invincible just because they're armed, and it's just not true. :-)
BTW - that "trick" with pushing a pistol out of battery can be effective against a 1911 type pistol because you don't have to grab the slide at all to move the action out of battery, but merely push on the end of the barrel. It's a good reason to have a spring set over the 17-18lb stock recoil spring. Then again, if somebody is that close and you haven't fired yet, I guess you're kind of screwed anyway. :-)
132 posted on
06/17/2009 10:08:11 PM PDT by
hiredhand
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