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The Coming Economic Collapse, Part 2
Seeking Alpha ^ | 6/8/09

Posted on 06/09/2009 7:52:11 AM PDT by FromLori

Edited on 06/09/2009 7:59:24 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Today’s essay is part two of our three part series detailing the ongoing collapse of the US economy with a focus on why this coming fall will prove the “worst is over” crowd wrong yet again.

On Friday we detailed three major developments. They were:

The US’s economic shift from manufacturing to services The massive drop in US incomes The beginning of the debt bubble If you missed that essay, you can read it here. Today, we’re addressing how the debt bubble encapsulated the US government as well as why Obama’s Stimulus Plan won’t fix anything.

To revisit the above three points, the US began outsourcing jobs in earnest soon after we re-opened trade with China in 1971. As outsourcing spread to higher and higher skilled jobs, this meant fewer jobs in the US market. This resulted in US consumers having to use credit to maintain their standard of living. It also meant more than one parent working to make ends meet.

On a national level, the US government began living beyond its means as well. Adjusted for inflation, gross tax receipts have only risen 40% in the last 39 years. However, over the same time period, total government spending increased 2,600%!!!

To fund this insanity, the US issued debt in the form of Treasuries. Foreign governments (most notably China) which were generally getting richer selling us stuff loaded up. The whole scheme is similar to buying a toy from the store, then having the store lend you money to buy another toy… ad infinitum: hardly a sensible long-term plan for financial solvency.

Now, everyone knows we run deficits. But not everyone knows that the deficits we publish are unbelievably understated. Corporations, in order to qualify for generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) have to count their pension and healthcare expenses for retirees.

Uncle Sam doesn’t.

John Williams of www.shadowstats.com notes that official US deficit statistics do NOT include net present value of unfunded social security OR Medicare expenses. A lot of folks have made a big deal about the US running a $1 trillion deficit this year. Well, if you included the net value of those unfunded Social Security and Medicare expenses we cleared a $1 trillion deficit in 2007, a $5 TRILLION deficit in 2008 and are on course to clear a $9 TRILLION deficit this year.

To give you an idea of how big a problem these deficits are, consider that the US government could tax its citizens 100% of their earnings and NOT have a balanced budget.

In light of these issues, the Government’s $787 billion stimulus package doesn’t exactly breed confidence in an economic turnaround. Incomes have lagged inflation in this country for 30+ years. Creating a bunch of temporary positions related to construction and the like is NOT going to alter this in any significant way.

Moreover, most of the job growth in the last 10 years has come from Bubbles: two out of five jobs created between 2002 and 2007 came from the housing industry. The irony here, of course, is that the Stimulus Plan is merely following this trend, creating jobs from our latest (relatively unreported) Bubble: the Bubble in government spending and employment.

Bottom line: the US needs to create sustained job growth involving skilled professionals with high wage earning potential, NOT more guys laying concrete. We need fundamental structural changes to the US economy, NOT temporary positions resulting from one-time government projects.

And with a $9 trillion deficit in the works, $787 billion doesn’t really mean much in terms of increased tax receipts or job growth. Also, and this is bit of a personal aside, it’s hard to believe that throwing $787 billion towards creating jobs really shifts our economy away from financial services when we’ve thrown $2 trillion+ towards Wall Street and the banks (via direct loans and lending windows).

Tomorrow, I’ll address the likely outcome of today’s economic and financial woes. Until then…

Good Investing!


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To: LTCJ

my thoughts


21 posted on 06/09/2009 10:50:05 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: FromLori
America's cities which once housed industry and legions of factory workers now house legions of violent black welfare households - the Democrats great welfare plantation.

Now instead of the city dwellers being paid to work in factories and produce goods, they are simply handed money to produce illegitimate children, which grow up to fill the prisons.

America's cities are now virtually devoid of factories and overflowing with welfare scum. This cannot be fixed in a mere ten years.

Nobody is even identifying the problem, let alone addressing it. Nobody dares mention it. But there it is.

22 posted on 06/09/2009 11:03:33 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: woollyone; Momaw Nadon; Mrs. Ranger; Squantos; wafflehouse; pbmaltzman; WKUHilltopper; dusttoyou; ..

Thanks for the ping. Every day it seems more and more folks are warning about the free ride coming to an end. Despite all the warnings, Govt. wants to take over healthcare, to hasten our downfall. It gets worse every freakin day.

Self Reliant/Survivalist ping list


23 posted on 06/09/2009 11:31:40 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: Squantos
...the URL points to this FALL... Imagine that!
24 posted on 06/09/2009 11:43:34 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: FromLori

More good news. Every day it just rolls in, along with the shockingly bad decisions made by our President. It’s a train wreck that never ends.


25 posted on 06/09/2009 12:38:36 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Survival is a Mom's Job! Check out my new blog: www.thesurvivalmom.com)
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To: appleseed; Squantos
This brings up something I was talking about the other day. Yahoo Finance reported (via AP) that during the month of May, the U.S. only lost 345,000 jobs. I went to the U.S. Bureau of Statistics web site which was the SOURCE of the AP article and it reported that the U.S. lost 787,000 jobs during the month of May! They did however mention that during the month of May that the U.S. lost 345,000 fewer jobs than six months ago! The Yahoo/AP article was misleading at best. They tried to say that this was a sign that things might be improving. But to read the source of their article one would never come to this conclusion! In fact, one would come to the opposite conclusion that things were STILL digressing...albeit at a slightly slower rate.

My point isn't to highlight the deceit by the MSM and government. The deceit on the part of both parties should be obvious to everybody except for the most hardened cool aid drinkers by now. My point is that everybody who reads and believes this crap will be terribly disappointed and unprepared when things finally appear to digress rapidly and then fail. To them, it will appear sudden. To those of us who dig into the details of things such as the unemployment statistics mentioned above, we will have seen it coming from afar. People ask me what the value is in knowing. I'm always taken back by this question. The value is that we can offset or obviate completely the effects of less than desirable conditions over which we otherwise have NO control. Even if we can't do anything, we can psychologically prepare, and while this isn't much, it can often mean the difference between living and dying.

The psychological impact will be terrible on the unprepared. People who lack the insight to see through problems are their own worst enemies. They have no hope because they have no insight. They trust entities which let them down, but cover it up until it's simply not possible to cover up any more. Then when the big lie must be revealed, those who were deceived simply can't handle it. They jump off the tops of buildings, shoot themselves, O.D. on drugs, and take themselves out of the gene pool in too many ways to describe here.... while we continue along eating from what we stored, pumping water from wells, shooting rabbits and such...sticking together, and trusting in The Lord.
26 posted on 06/09/2009 12:50:20 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: my small voice

“What are we supposed to do?”

Hang on and stockpile is the only thing I know to do. It may be paranoid, it may sound wacky, but at least I feel like I’m DOING something.


27 posted on 06/09/2009 1:09:35 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: hiredhand

“Yahoo Finance reported (via AP) that during the month of May, the U.S. only lost 345,000 jobs”

Actually, the whole report was questionable. According to the actual Labor Report (a Freeper sent me the link, I’ll try to find it), the 345,000 was “non-farm” jobs, but WHOLE LOSS was 787,000.

You mean to tell me the country lost 400,000 plus FARM jobs?

Something isn’t right and the Propaganda Machine is doing it’s job of yelling ‘right’ information to make the Zero look good.


28 posted on 06/09/2009 1:17:24 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: FromLori; GOPJ

Just start a collection of names of people who want to be pinged whenever you find a thread that deals with this topic and ping them when you see one, or when you post the next in this series.


29 posted on 06/09/2009 1:50:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Bon mots

Which is why I pity anyone living in a city when TSHTF.

That factored in to out decision to purchase a house in a small town in the country years ago.


30 posted on 06/09/2009 1:52:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: my small voice
Are they pushing us towards a totalitarian system because they want to be able to crush public opposition when it becomes completely obvious what they have been doing?

Probably. But they may have more trouble than they expect.

31 posted on 06/09/2009 1:56:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: FromLori

ping


32 posted on 06/09/2009 1:56:04 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: metmom
Which is why I pity anyone living in a city when TSHTF.

I have a sneaking suspicion that in the USA, the "TSHTF" day is coming before this current mess is over.
Record ammunition and firearm sales reveal that others feel the same.

33 posted on 06/09/2009 1:56:21 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: autumnraine

You’re correct about the non-farm jobs. I had forgotten about that. Oh it’s questionable all right! It’s the classic problem of trying to make a big lie believable until it simply isn’t possible anymore.


34 posted on 06/09/2009 1:59:06 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: LTCJ

I would use fish traps for survival. More fish for less effort. You can sell your excess to the imprudent and improvident.


35 posted on 06/09/2009 3:02:08 PM PDT by darth
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To: metmom

Ok thanks!


36 posted on 06/09/2009 3:16:10 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: oust the louse

We also need real jobs for low skill workers. What else but restless anger if all the high school graduates and drop outs and immigrants with less education have NO work?
Then you have an employed caste and an unemployed caste. Bad idea.


37 posted on 06/09/2009 3:59:06 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: FromLori

...and if you begin a ping list, kindly add me to it!

ty!


38 posted on 06/09/2009 4:05:00 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Bon mots

I was talking to a doctor recently who made some comment about the way things were going these days and he said something about needing to exercise our Second Amendment rights.

I about fell over.

But it’s good to know that there are doctors out there like that. I’ll bet he’s no fan of socialized medicine either.


39 posted on 06/09/2009 4:05:02 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: hiredhand

No worries I will have the winning lotto numbers by then .....


40 posted on 06/09/2009 4:09:09 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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