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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And yet Titus proclaims that Grace that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

This is not all kinds of men, but all men.

Thus, while we ourselves are unable to come to Him, His grace allows us that opportunity, while still providing us our Free Will.

71 posted on 06/09/2009 11:11:14 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Of course grace has "appeared" to all men. Christ lived and died and was resurrected. That's a fact, witnessed by many. And thus, no man is without excuse for his disbelief.

But do all men see this grace with open eyes" With a heart of flesh? With a renewed mind?

It would be nice, but it's obviously not true. Only those given to know the things of God will know the things of God.

Read the verses. I once believed like you. Then I read Scripture with new eyes and beheld the sovereignty of God in all things. FWIW, life is richer on this side of the debate.

74 posted on 06/09/2009 12:03:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ShadowAce; Dr. Eckleburg
And yet Titus proclaims that Grace that brings salvation has appeared to all men. This is not all kinds of men, but all men. Thus, while we ourselves are unable to come to Him, His grace allows us that opportunity, while still providing us our Free Will.

Spurgeon would agree with this comment; at least he did so in a sermon on that passage in Titus.

96 posted on 06/11/2009 7:03:52 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: ShadowAce
...while still providing us our Free Will.

Oh you did it now!

The two little words that bring Calvinists to a full rolling boil: "Free Will."

98 posted on 06/11/2009 7:07:11 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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