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To: PAR35; BereanBrain
It is - folks just don't want to see it.

Given Calvinism, the correct response would be, "God just didn't want them to see it." Nobody saw it until John Calvin described the "hidden" counsel of God which he said was not explicit in scripture. Like that song says,
The whole world was lost in the darkness of (foreordained) sin
The light of the world is Calvin.
Calvinism: There is no will but God's will and John Calvin is his prophet.
29 posted on 06/06/2009 7:21:20 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Since ‘Calvinist’ theology originated with Paul, perhaps your quarrel is not with the Institutes and Commentaries, or the Confessions, but rather with the Bible.


34 posted on 06/06/2009 9:11:20 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: aruanan; MarkBsnr; Campion
Nobody saw it until John Calvin described the "hidden" counsel of God which he said was not explicit in scripture.

Oh good Lord....it's worse than I thought.

89 posted on 06/11/2009 6:51:49 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: aruanan; PAR35; BereanBrain
"God just didn't want them to see it." Nobody saw it until John Calvin described the "hidden" counsel of God which he said was not explicit in scripture.

No, Calvin found it in Scripture and knew that Augustine had found it before him...

A TREATISE ON THE PREDESTINATION OF THE SAINTS
by Augustine

Try this one, too...

AUGUSTINE ON THE PREDESTINATION OF THE SAINTS

"Certainly such an election is of grace, not at all of merits. For he had before said, “So, therefore, even at this present time, the remnant has been saved by the election of grace. And if by grace, now it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace.” Therefore the election obtained what it obtained gratuitously; there preceded none of those things which they might first give, and it should be given to them again. He saved them for nothing. But to the rest who were blinded, as is there plainly declared, it was done in recompense. “All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth.” But His ways are unsearchable. Therefore the mercy by which He freely delivers, and the truth by which He righteously judges, are equally unsearchable." -- Augustine, On the Predestination of the Saints 11

Pray for ears to hear.

115 posted on 06/11/2009 12:12:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose))
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