Posted on 05/28/2009 8:41:58 AM PDT by adc
Check out the MicroPoll link: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/501693-169959
With 267 participants, Lonegan leads 62% to Christie's 22% and Merkt's 16%! Eight States Favoring Lonegan, vs. only PA favoring Christie (but with only 40% of the total vote!) and MD favoring Merkt. NJ favoring Lonegan with 62% of the poll vote; NY with 63% (despite Giuliani), other 6 states (AZ, IL, GA, NC, SC, and VA) each give Steve 100% of their votes!
I have not heard a single anti-Christie ad from Corzine, and Christie has run the most dishonest and misleading campaign I have watched closely: a presumptuous campaign of an anointed candidate, and after discovering it was INDEED a race, a rank negative lie. To the extent he has proposed anything they were generalities that only under pressure finally gave way to Lonegan-like claims in some areas after Lonegan led the way. We don’t need any more people who want to run on the basis that they would do what’s good for us after they got in office and figured it out.
We have been (mis)led that way before, both in the state and on the national level. We are not children to be coddled and handled and we are not following those kinds of would-be leaders any more. I am not, in any case.
It is a powerful mistake to vote for the lesser of two evils as would be the case with Corzine-Christie. In both cases, you end up with an evil. It’s not a joke. It’s not the Survivor/Bachelor/Bachelorette/Dancing with the stars...it’s not Family Feud: we are voting for the best person to be governor, not as a guess about who else will vote. Lonegan is that best man.
Henry V, after Agincourt. We need the win first.
Republican hacks say this about all conservative candidates.
One more exhibit in why the Republican Party is now worse than useless.
The effect is twofold. One, on the $20,000/yr income, it is a tax of about $11/week, and it broadens the tax base, generally considered a fair tax rationale. On the other hand, I’m not sure why YOU don’t “like” the tax plan and would appreciate more information, since you’ve posed it in a personal way, yet dealt with the issue like an opposing politician.
I said twofold and there were two, but related. The real second is the one of skin in the game, by which I mean that a taxpayer is now among those whose opinions are validated by their participation: they will be interested in seeing costs cut, government spending decreased so that the flat tax can be lowered until there is no income tax at all.
Meantime, the upwardly mobile among the $20K/ann workers will be looking forward to the day when the difference between the flat tax and the current tax is in their favor and with businesses returning to the “open for business” New Jersey, that day will no longer be infinitely far off.
As to what is fair, that is a pretty fundamental issue, and within the framework of Conservatism or even conservatism, there is not much from Das Kapital (where the progressive income tax was heavily promoted as fair) that we can agree on.
I think it’s already fair that a person who earns $500,000 pays 2.9%, or $14,500 to just NEW JERSEY. It is not up to you or the government to regulate the oeuvre of wealth-creation as a matter of public policy, and I sincerely doubt there will be any personal benefit to that taxpayer at all as a result of that tax.
One more thing we strongly disagree on is the Corzine would love to run against Lonegan. We got sold that bill of goods with the media selection of McCain “FOR” us. Not buying it again.
Most of your commentary reveals a belief in the politics of envy. Which branch of conservatism did you say you represent?
It is important to remain civil and I will do my best, but you sound like you’ve gotten into the wrong tent and are rattling around disruptively.
Since we don’t agree at all on the concept of flat versus “progressive” income taxes, is there common ground on cutting the size and cost of government? Christie has paid lip service in the form of “waste and corruption”. Was there an actual plan in there somewhere, or was his “across the board” cutting, unsustainable in an unchanged expense environment, mere rhetoric as I suspect, or code words for taxes on something else you don’t currently expect or call taxes?
I don’t expect you to speak authoritatively for Christie, so perhaps you could provide a link?
As a follow up, it is just one tax that has been talked about here, but the major tax burdening NJ residents is a property tax that is probably the highest in the nation. The income tax was supposed to relieve a portion of that in support of education and has not done so. The sales tax was also supposedly enacted to help education but has also just been absorbed into the general funds.
Lonegan’s plan addresses both these issues by apportioning the income tax equally to all school districts, thus relieving 20% of the property tax. That’s an across the board reduction with some gravitas. Moreover, that real reduction is in place of a hokey “rebate” that is NOT a rebate, but merely a separately borrowed sum that is distributed each year around election time to get the governor’s name in front of voters.
If a company is found to be paying a dividend without the income/free cash flow to support it, and in fact is paying the dividend with borrowed money, the BOD will be tossed. If a mutual fund is paying dividends not justified by its NAV, it’s called fraud. So if NJ keeps paying a “rebate” that is borrowed at some interest, AND is not justified by the state’s real income, what else is there to call it but a gimmick? It could be called fraud, and Jon Corzine and Chris Christie support it.
“I don’t like the Lonegan flat tax plan. The way it is structured it raises taxes on singles making as little as $23,000 per year and for couples making $67,000 per year. It lowers taxes on those making $500,000 by almost $14,000 per year. How can he call that plan fair. Christie wants to lower taxes for all groups. Thats why I am voting for Christie. Christie also has the support of solid conservatives like Steve Forbes and Chris Smith.Corzine would love to run against Lonegan because he is an extremist who would be defeated in a landslide whereas Christie can win in this very blue state.”
DUDE YOU ARE SUCH A TOOL AND AN OBVIOUS CHRISTIE PLANT!...
dude it only raises taxes on the lowest income bracket by 300 dollars...they will get that money back with the federal earned income credit...
the money saved by the innovators and producers of nj will ignite the prosperity engine...christie has no plan...
One more exhibit in why the Republican Party is now worse than useless.
What the heck did that mean? If we would all just make a nice donation to American's Independent Party, we'd be sure of winning?
You have the answers, do you?
So, do you agree with the “leadership” of the GOP that conservatives “can’t win” and that therefore liberals must be nominated?
That’s what they’re saying about Charlie Crist and Marco Rubio in Florida. Do you support Charle Crist like your party’s “leaders”?
They’re saying that Meg Whitman is the best bet for Governor of California. She stood a stage with John McCain as he endorsed her this week (just as Mitt Romney had already done) and told the world that she’s “pro-choice.” Do you support Meg Whitman?
They say that the only one who can win in the IL Senate race is Mark Kirk, who gets an F from the NRA and a 100% rating from NARAL. Do you support Mark Kirk?
You don’t see a pattern here?
Love how people who left the Republican Party want to tell us what to do and who to support.
Your new project America’s Independent Party is a take off from the American Independent Party or you are both together. Whichever, one is a ‘real’ Party recognized by the FEC and ‘s is not recognized as an official party.
It would be nice when criticizing a Republican candidate if you would give a disclaimer that you are head of Americ’s Independent Party and maybe some people on here would get the hint that your attacks on Republicans who can win have ulterior motives.
People should vote for the most conservative candidate that can WIN because if they cannot win, your agenda is dead in the water. Standing on principle got us Obama which has turned out to have disastrous consequences and why some of us who haven’t liked McCain in years worked for the McCain/Palin ticket. We saw Obama as a real threat to this Country while some continued to trash McCain including your website.
As far as I am concerned sites like that helped elect Obama, a socialist, which is bad for America and bad for us as citizens.
Republicans who can win
Do you support Charlie Crist, Meg Whitman or Mark Kirk?
Your brain is wired backward.
In fact, it was the GOP culture of compromise that led to Obama.
And people like you will do anything to protect that culture.
Frankly, there's no difference that matters between you and the Democrats.
You are a moron and a threat to our freedom. Why don’t you go get a real job? The difference between the outcomes of your strategy and that of Obama and the RATS is zero.
Do you support Charlie Crist, Meg Whitman or Mark Kirk?
What’s most ironic is that this same game was played on our mutual friend Steve King. He was one of the few conservatives who had the wherewithal to overcome it. Of course, things have grown far worse since then. And why not, when people like yourself refuse to see that the same anti-conservative campaign is being run against large numbers of decent candidates who stand on the political spectrum where Steve stands. The ultimate irony is that it is people like you who are, though you will never admit it, helping to cut off Steve off from receiving any substantial reinforcements.
Do you have a strategy to get only conservatives elected?
What the hell are you smoking?
How sophomoric.
No, I have a strategy to do the right thing, and to then leave the results in God's hands.
What is your strategy?
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