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Want Texas Independence? Stop Taking Federal Money! (Vanity)
houston conservative ^ | 4/20/2009 | Will Malven

Posted on 04/20/2009 11:18:30 AM PDT by Sudetenland

So Mr. Governor Rick Perry has discovered that big federal government is an anathema to state governments as well as the nation’s citizens.

Governor Perry's new found voice on fiscal restraint is refreshing; it appears that being forced to run for office every now and then does serve a purpose.

After serving for years as a relatively mediocre governor, Mr. Perry faces his first real challenge from another candidate in his own party, the retiring Senator from Texas, Mrs. Kay Bailey Hutchison who is polling very well within the state.

His decision last month to reject that portion of federal stimulus funds that would simultaneously increase unemployment benefits and burden the states with funding those benefits after the initial funds offered by the federal government were depleted, while laudable, was only a symbolic expression of independence.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; rickperry; statesrights; texasindependence
Read it or not. It is just one person's opinion on how states can truly force a return to state's rights.
1 posted on 04/20/2009 11:18:31 AM PDT by Sudetenland
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To: Sudetenland

I agree here. States have been taking federal money for many years and have always complained about the strings attached. The only way to stop the strings is to stop taking the money.


2 posted on 04/20/2009 11:22:53 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Sudetenland

Sounds good in theory, but it isn’t within the Governor’s jurisdiction to turn down all federal funds, including bailout funds.

An analogy, imagine your mayor gives your block a ‘bailout’ but you refuse it in principle. Some of those bailout funds can still be spent on your property for telephone poles and sewer that fall under the city’s jurisdiction.

The States are macro versions of this. The governor isn’t a dictator, the feds have jurisdiction over a lot that the governor can’t turn down. I see a lot of bashing of Palin and Perry for not turning down 100%, but the fact is, legally they can’t.


3 posted on 04/20/2009 11:23:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Perhaps not, but he can set the agenda within the state legislature to do so. Highway funds for state highways, funds from the DOE for our schools and the like can all be turned down. Those are state functions and the feds have no business interfering in them whatsoever.


4 posted on 04/20/2009 11:28:40 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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To: Sudetenland

Except that you then put the Governor into the difficult position of having citizens who pay into the black hole of DC and get nothing in return. Texas is the only state that I am aware of that can fix this.


5 posted on 04/20/2009 11:32:20 AM PDT by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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To: Ingtar
I understand that fact. I am simply saying that if you truly want a return to the federalist system our Founding Fathers wanted for us, the best, fastest path is to stop accepting federal funds.

It has been suggested, in answer to your objection, that states place citizens tax payments into a state escrow account rather than citizens paying directly into the federal coffers...don't even know if that is legal, but it is a solution.
6 posted on 04/20/2009 11:36:20 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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To: Sudetenland

You can’t stop taking the money, because the feds are taking the money from you first.

Most states send more money to Washington than they get back (well, at least that was true before we started spending twice as much money as we take in taxes).

So most states would be better off if they just got to keep the federal taxes of their own citizens.

In 2005, Texas got back 88 cents for every dollar in federal taxes. So they would be better off.

New Mexico gets over $3 in money back for every dollar they pay in federal taxes. Don’t know why. Mississippi was second, and West Virginia was 3rd.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 11:47:12 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Ingtar; Sudetenland

“nothing”?

What we get is worse than nothing. DC is giving us social, political, economic, and cultural poison. We would be far better off without all of those really swell federal programs, mandates, and regulations. Real people - net taxpayers, that is - don’t get anything from the federal dollars that state revenues can’t cover. So, let DC keep the money and get DC the hell out of Texas.


8 posted on 04/20/2009 12:06:12 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Sudetenland
Want Texas Independence? Stop Taking Federal Money! (Vanity)

Sounds fine. And then turn around and redirect all withholding to state coffers and tell the fed to stop collecting federal taxes.

9 posted on 04/20/2009 12:10:22 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: Sudetenland

These 2 paragraphs tell it all:

“Now we are faced with the distasteful and hard to swallow truth. The reason all of these states, which of late have passed these resolutions of states’ rights, are forced to do so is that they have voluntarily surrendered their sovereignty for the “filthy lucre” of our federal government.

That’s right folks; this transfer of power from the states to the federal government is a direct result of the state governments’ greed for federal dollars. Cut the flow of dollars from Washington DC to your state and you cut the reins with which the federal government exercises its control.”


10 posted on 04/20/2009 12:41:38 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Nothing stops us but greed. If you want independence, that is a sacrifice you have to be willing to make.

I know it's not fair...since when is life fair? Fairness is what Liberals tout as they are strapping the yoke over your shoulders.

Again this problem has been alluded to and one solution to it has already been discussed by several states, as I alluded to in one of my earlier responses above, place all taxpayer monies into an state controlled escrow account and dole them out to the feds as necessary...feed the monies that would normally go into the DOE etc back into the state's coffers for local control.

You cannot suckle on the teat of "Mother Government" and demand independence at the same time.
11 posted on 04/20/2009 1:26:55 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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To: Sudetenland
Those are state functions and the feds have no business interfering in them whatsoever.

True, but explain that to the feds!

Worse is unfunded mandates.

12 posted on 04/22/2009 4:22:42 AM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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