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Reasons Why John Demjanjuk Should Not Be Deported
April 16,2009 | Welcome2thejungle

Posted on 04/16/2009 10:42:12 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle

1) Demjanjuk is 89 years old, senile, and in very poor health. How would you punish such a man?

2) Demjanjuk's 1988 conviction of war crimes was subsequently overturned by Israel's highest court because there was reasonable doubt that he was "Ivan the Terrible".

3) Demjanjuk was a lowly camp guard, not an SS officer or camp commandant. He certainly was no major international war criminal in the same league with Adolf Eichmann.

4) The USSR under Joseph Stalin and Communist China under Chairman Mao slaughtered millions more innocent people than did the Nazis. Why no round up and international manhunt for their camp guards and exectioners?

5) WWII ended 64 years ago and it is doubtful that surviving witnesses could positively identify Demjanjuk.

The fact remains brutal things happen in war. Of course major war criminals should be prosecuted and brought to justice for their crimes like the Nazi leaders at Nuremburg and Saddam Hussein and Slobodon Milosevic as well as their leading henchmen. But in the larger scheme of things, Demjanjuk was a lowly foot soldier recruited by the invading Germans to serve as a camp guard. His alternatives at the time were probably not much better. He could have been forced to work as a slave laborer in an armaments factory. Not everyone in Nazi occupied Europe was an Oscar Shindler. Most in fact did what they could to get along and survive the war. And when the Germans invaded the USSR they were initially welcomed as liberators by native populations who had already endured horrific savergy under the Soviet oppression. The choices were not easy.

Demjanjuk has already been been punished and should be left alone. He was a low level Ukrainian peasant whose land was conquered and terrorized by two equally evil and murderous totalitarian regimes. His choices were not easy. The best choice this man ever made was to move to the United States where he found peace, at least for a while. The Israeli court overturned his conviction and returned to him America. That should be enough for this low level camp guard.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: demjanjuk; holocaust
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1 posted on 04/16/2009 10:42:12 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle
Demjanjuk is 89 years old, senile, and in very poor health. How would you punish such a man?

Not referring to Demjanjuk in particular, but all this does is just legitimize the idea that you can commit a horrific crime, then hide out till you are sick and old and then get away with it.

2 posted on 04/16/2009 10:45:46 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Welcome2thejungle
Of course major war criminals ... like ... Slobodon Milosevic ...

Before and during King William's Great Patriotic War Against Serbia there were many claims of "mass graves ... mass graves everywhere ... millions of corpses in mass graves".

Ten years later, we've yet to see evidence of a single "mass grave".

3 posted on 04/16/2009 10:45:55 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle
4) The USSR under Joseph Stalin and Communist China under Chairman Mao slaughtered millions more innocent people than did the Nazis. Why no round up and international manhunt for their camp guards and executioners?

This statement is true, but irrelevant. Just because someone gets away with some crime, is not an excuse to let everyone go.

If a crime had been committed against you or your property, would you want the police to say, "Sorry sir, this crime goes unpunished everyday, so we can't pursue it?"

4 posted on 04/16/2009 10:46:09 AM PDT by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Just looked him up.

Seems kind of odd he’s being tried in Germany. Wonder how many German soldiers from WW2 are still alive. And I wonder how many of the jurors had grandparents who were soldiers loyal to Hitler.


5 posted on 04/16/2009 10:47:22 AM PDT by benjibrowder (I keep praying for hope and change, but I open my eyes and Obama is still President.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

1) Demjanjuk is 89 years old, senile, and in very poor health. How would you punish such a man?

Easy, strap him in the chair and turn up the juice.


6 posted on 04/16/2009 10:49:52 AM PDT by stockpirate (We stand as conservatives at the Hot Gates like the 300, what will history say of us?)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

None of this matters. NOT ONE ASPECT.

Deport, trail, sentence. Save me the teary eyed B.S. sob stories.


7 posted on 04/16/2009 10:52:43 AM PDT by Red6
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To: benjibrowder

Also wonder how many people could positively indentify after all these years.


8 posted on 04/16/2009 10:54:18 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Screw him. Dump him from an airplane at 20,000 ft


9 posted on 04/16/2009 10:55:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Red6

Does it not matter that Israel’s highest court overturned his conviction?


10 posted on 04/16/2009 10:55:49 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Red6; Welcome2thejungle

And not only to punish him for his crimes, but to rid this country of such a one. There is that too you know.


11 posted on 04/16/2009 10:59:00 AM PDT by DeLaine
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To: Welcome2thejungle

No it doesn’t.

If you catch a serial killer, but then find out he’s not the serial killer you originally thought he was, should you let him go?


12 posted on 04/16/2009 10:59:04 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Welcome2thejungle

They overturned the conviction for being “Ivan the Terrible”. They did not find that he did nothing wrong. As “Ivan the Merely Bad”, he still committed crimes triable in Germany and entered the United States under false pretenses. He is an illegal alien.


13 posted on 04/16/2009 11:02:05 AM PDT by mak5
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So is half of Los Angeles. And many of those aliens are committing violent crimes on a daily basis. Can we deport them? Demjanjuk is the least of my worries these days.


14 posted on 04/16/2009 11:04:23 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Red6

He was a lowly camp guard.


15 posted on 04/16/2009 11:05:36 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle
It certainly matters to me. Granted, I need to read up on it, but we either trust the courts or we do not.

I would rely on the Israeli Courts before the German Courts in this matter.

If the conviction was overturned in Israel and he was returned to the US, why is he being deported now, considering his age and health? What is the purpose?

16 posted on 04/16/2009 11:06:02 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Americans Bow to No One; Obama Bows to Saudi KINGS and Lies about it.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

He doesn’t deserve the privilege of US citizenship.


17 posted on 04/16/2009 11:06:19 AM PDT by zaphod3000 (Free markets, free minds, free lives)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

EXACTLY! My God let it rest. This vengeance pure and simple.


18 posted on 04/16/2009 11:07:55 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: zaphod3000

Neither does BHO. But now he is POTUS!


19 posted on 04/16/2009 11:09:55 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Lest anyone thing I am falling for an sad sap, get out the kleenex story, I am not. If there was prof he committed crimes against humanity in WWII, I'd say fry his ass even if he was 109.

It almost seems as if he is being passed off to another court because the Israeli Courts did not get it right.

20 posted on 04/16/2009 11:11:10 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Americans Bow to No One; Obama Bows to Saudi KINGS and Lies about it.)
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